Oracle Life link and Shaman Life Link


Rules Questions


So being late to the party I decided to try and make a life oracle. When reading the text for the Life Link in Hero Lab it was different than the description of the power in the book, the book was the same as the PFSRD.

So with the coming of the Shaman, and the life link ability they have being vastly different, also taking in to account that they are a hybrid Oracle/Witch, does this new description of Life Link re-write the Oracles ability?

Did Life Link get re-written to be like the shaman class' ability or do we still use the Oracles ability description when running an Oracle.

Which do we use for PFS?


Life Link is simply different for the Shaman. You continue to use the Oracle's version as printed in the actual book. You should file a bug report with Lone Wolf for the Oracle's version if it does not match the current print version.


As written, the Shaman has a differently acting ability with the same name as the Oracle one. The Oracle revelation is unchanged.


Serisan wrote:
Life Link is simply different for the Shaman. You continue to use the Oracle's version as printed in the actual book. You should file a bug report with Lone Wolf for the Oracle's version if it does not match the current print version.

Great minds and all that...

I did file that bug report and got this as a reply:

Lone Wolf Development Support

8:20 AM (6 hours ago)

This was a deliberate change. Based on the sharing of names and the fact that Shaman is a hybrid of the Oracle and Witch, we interpret the new text from the ACG as an update to the rules. I realize that many people prefer the old text because the new one is less than useful. If you like, I can give you guidance on how to restore the old text for oracles in your home game, but I can't correct it in the base program.

Sorry!

Which is what made me ask here. Is there any official word on this either way or in writing any place that I can send them?

Dark Archive

Yeah, Oracle Life Link is completely unchanged. It's still the same on the PRD, for example.

HeroLab is a neat tool, but it is hardly something you should use as a rules resource.


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Yeah, Lone Wolf is totally making that up. That's like saying the Brawler (Fighter archetype) no longer exists and was replaced by the Brawler (hybrid class).


Arachnofiend wrote:
Yeah, Lone Wolf is totally making that up. That's like saying the Brawler (Fighter archetype) no longer exists and was replaced by the Brawler (hybrid class).

Very true, yet it is a nice tool. As such I would like to see if there is anything I can send back to them and help improve/fix the tool.

I knew something was off when I read that, and it made me want to contact them.


Ghosstwalker wrote:
Serisan wrote:
Life Link is simply different for the Shaman. You continue to use the Oracle's version as printed in the actual book. You should file a bug report with Lone Wolf for the Oracle's version if it does not match the current print version.

Great minds and all that...

I did file that bug report and got this as a reply:

Lone Wolf Development Support

8:20 AM (6 hours ago)

This was a deliberate change. Based on the sharing of names and the fact that Shaman is a hybrid of the Oracle and Witch, we interpret the new text from the ACG as an update to the rules. I realize that many people prefer the old text because the new one is less than useful. If you like, I can give you guidance on how to restore the old text for oracles in your home game, but I can't correct it in the base program.

Sorry!

Which is what made me ask here. Is there any official word on this either way or in writing any place that I can send them?

Their interpretation is wrong. Until such a time as there is an actual FAQ, blog post, or errata, the printed version of the Oracle's ability is the legal version. Rules extrapolation does not trump the existing text. After all, they didn't do anything like this for Cinder Dance, which is also shared and has separate text. What about Guiding Star?

Shaman is a "hybrid class," yes, but that is still a separate and distinct class. Technically, Life Link for the Shaman isn't a Revelation, either, but a Hex instead. These are not equivalent.


Just out of curiosity, did Hero Lab change the Witch Evil Eye Hex to not be Mind Affecting since the Shaman version doesn't have that?


That's weird that you got that response. I reported the same bug April last year and was told it was going on their to do list, and it's still listed as "open" in FogBugz.


Shaman has a hex called a Life Link. Oracle has a revelation called a Life Link. While the former is clearly based on the later they don't need to be identical because they are different ability categories.

Not that the difference between those two seems to have any actual reasonable excuse, though.


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I'm pretty hopeful the shaman life link is an error. That ability is way too close to useless.


Melkiador wrote:
I'm pretty hopeful the shaman life link is an error. That ability is way too close to useless.

This.

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