Raziel Hethune |
Question about Hybrid classes, can a hybrid class take an archetype that they have all the class abilities required for it? For instance, a Skald is a hybrid of the Barbarian and Bard class, can it take the Arcane Healer Bard Archetype? The archetype replaces the Versatile Performance and Loremaster abilities, both of which a Skald possesses, that are identical to the Bard class abilities.
DeathlessOne |
As long as the archetype only replaces abilities that the hybrid class still possesses, I'd allow it. In fact, I've already allowed in one game. Reign of Winter. Character wanted to play a Shaman but loved the theme of the Winter Witches.
The only issue with the Winter Witch Archetype was that it forced the character to pick a specific patron from a list. That was easy to resolve (Have her pick a 'patron' and replace the spirit magic spells with her chosen spells). The only other thing of import was replacing a 4th level hex. Shaman's got a hex at 4th level. Easily done.
DM_Blake |
Reading the Archetype rules, we see "parent class", "corresponding class", and "given class" stated over and over. This establishes, frequently and clearly, that there is a link between an archetype and its given corresponding parent class.
I'd say that makes the RAW abundantly clear - each archetype has only one parent class and can only be used by that class.
That said, I don't think this would be a bad houserule - I'd almost certainly allow replacing identical class features from an archetype to a different core, base, or hybrid class.
One caveat: Not all class features are created equally, even if they have the same name. For example, replacing a druid's animal companion is much more significant than replacing a ranger's animal companion. So when mixing and matching classes and archetypes, I'd suggest evaluating the class abilities being replaced and being mindful of the significance to the "given corresponding parent class" and the significance to the unintended class and if it's not the same significance, I might not allow the archetype, or I'd at least modify the resultant ability being gained.
Darche Schneider |
I'd say that makes the RAW abundantly clear - each archetype has only one parent class and can only be used by that class.
Of course you've also got ninja, who is a separate class, but not a separate class of rogue
Honestly though, I don't get why Hybrid classes even mention their two blended classes that much.
Clearly the Magus is a hybrid of Wizard and Fighter (and EK) but it doesn't really mention any of that. But since it came out before, it doesn't actually mention that.