Can i use Spirit's Gift on myself if i have Animal Soul?


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I am just wondering if i could use the "spirit's gift " on my character if i have the " Animal soul " feat:
Spirit's Gift
You commune with a spirit of your choice, and it grants your animal companion or familiar a boon.

Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Benefit: At the start of the day, you can choose to commune with a single shaman spirit. (Although a shaman would need an hour of preparation, this takes you no time.) For the next 24 hours, that shaman spirit augments your animal companion or familiar, as its spirit animal ability.

Animal Soul
Your close bond with an animal allows you to use magic that targets animals on yourself.

Prerequisite: Animal companion or mount class feature.
Benefit: You can allow spells and effects that affect animals, animal companions, and special mounts to affect you, even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of your type. For example, you could cast animal growth or reduce animal on yourself, even though those spells normally affect only animals. An ally could cast raise animal companion on you to bring you back from the dead. An opponent could not cast charm animal or dominate animal on you unless you chose to allow the spell to affect you as if you were an animal.

Grand Lodge

No. While you qualify as an animal, you don't qualify as your animal companion, which is what Spirit's Gift augments.

Dark Archive

It would work if you could find some way to allow the effect from spirit's gift affecting your animal companion also effect you, but there isn't anything that does that as far as I know.


I think it should be allowed, as animal soul allows you to have spells/effects that would be used on animals or animal companions.


I'll say now my instinctive response is "hell, no!"

That said I'm not sure Jeff's answer can be right. Animal Soul specifically calls out effects that affect an animal companion can affect you.

It just comes down to how much the fluff 'use magic' and the rules text 'spells and effects' apply to feats. If the rules text matched the fluff, I'd be confident in saying no, but how can you say that the feat isn't 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...'?


I think it comes down to pathfinders definition of an effect and if a feats modifications or 'results' are consider effects, I would think so.

Grand Lodge

dragonhunterq wrote:

I'll say now my instinctive response is "hell, no!"

That said I'm not sure Jeff's answer can be right. Animal Soul specifically calls out effects that affect an animal companion can affect you.

It just comes down to how much the fluff 'use magic' and the rules text 'spells and effects' apply to feats. If the rules text matched the fluff, I'd be confident in saying no, but how can you say that the feat isn't 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...'?

It's not 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...', though. That refers to things like Raise Animal Companion which has a target line of "dead animal companion or bonded mount." Spirit's Gift is an effect that affects your animal companion. Animal Soul does not give you the ability to count as your own animal companion, just an animal companion. There's a difference.


I would look at it the other way around your animal companion can only be your animal companion, an animal companion can be your animal companion or someone else's or the concept of an animal companion imo


Jeff Merola wrote:
It's not 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...', though. That refers to things like Raise Animal Companion which has a target line of "dead animal companion or bonded mount." Spirit's Gift is an effect that affects your animal companion. Animal Soul does not give you the ability to count as your own animal companion, just an animal companion. There's a difference.

I'm sorry, but isn't 'your' animal companion still 'an' animal companion?

Grand Lodge

dragonhunterq wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
It's not 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...', though. That refers to things like Raise Animal Companion which has a target line of "dead animal companion or bonded mount." Spirit's Gift is an effect that affects your animal companion. Animal Soul does not give you the ability to count as your own animal companion, just an animal companion. There's a difference.
I'm sorry, but isn't 'your' animal companion still 'an' animal companion?

Yes, in the same way that a square is also a rectangle.


but... What if he casts awaken on his Animal Companion, and that Animal Companion takes a level in Druid, and chooses Animal companion, and picks him, since he now counts as an animal. Now his former Animal Companion can now take Spirits Gift, and give it to him!! A ha! problem solved.


Stikye wrote:
but... What if he casts awaken on his Animal Companion, and that Animal Companion takes a level in Druid, and chooses Animal companion, and picks him, since he now counts as an animal. Now his former Animal Companion can now take Spirits Gift, and give it to him!! A ha! problem solved.

Haha I like it


Jeff Merola wrote:
dragonhunterq wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
It's not 'an effect that affects ... animal companions...', though. That refers to things like Raise Animal Companion which has a target line of "dead animal companion or bonded mount." Spirit's Gift is an effect that affects your animal companion. Animal Soul does not give you the ability to count as your own animal companion, just an animal companion. There's a difference.
I'm sorry, but isn't 'your' animal companion still 'an' animal companion?
Yes, in the same way that a square is also a rectangle.

I don't know what rules you are following(not said in an aggressive tone, however when I read it back to myself it sounded like it) but I am just aware of the rules of universal inheritance, A banana is a banana but it is also fruit. So if someone says I want fruit that fruit can be a banana or any other fruit, because at a higher level banana is a fruit foremost.

Please note if banana isn't actually a fruit I don't care >.<

Is there a rule in PF where the most restrictive applies or something then I would agree with you.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

You have to have an Animal Companion to qualify for the Animal Soul feat. You can't use the feat to qualify for itself. Spirit's Gift does nothing to eliminate that pre-requisite.


Now I'm imagining two characters with animal soul, who've replaced their recently deceased companions with each other... That'd be some funky rules interaction.


but this would work right?

Friend to Animals (Su): The shaman can spontaneously cast summon nature's ally spells as a druid. In addition, all animals within 30 feet of the shaman receive a sacred bonus on all saving throws equal to the shaman's Charisma modifier.

Grand Lodge

8FoldPath wrote:

I don't know what rules you are following(not said in an aggressive tone, however when I read it back to myself it sounded like it) but I am just aware of the rules of universal inheritance, A banana is a banana but it is also fruit. So if someone says I want fruit that fruit can be a banana or any other fruit, because at a higher level banana is a fruit foremost.

Please note if banana isn't actually a fruit I don't care >.<

Is there a rule in PF where the most restrictive applies or something then I would agree with you.

I'll use the square/rectangle thing to explain further:

Animal Soul makes you a rectangle. Spirit's Gift requires a square. While it is true that squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares, and Animal Soul makes you a rectangle, not a square.

Adept_Woodwright wrote:
Now I'm imagining two characters with animal soul, who've replaced their recently deceased companions with each other... That'd be some funky rules interaction.

Thankfully it doesn't actually add you to the list of legal animal companion choices, so that's up to the GM to let work.

Kefler wrote:

but this would work right?

Friend to Animals (Su): The shaman can spontaneously cast summon nature's ally spells as a druid. In addition, all animals within 30 feet of the shaman receive a sacred bonus on all saving throws equal to the shaman's Charisma modifier.

Yes. I think.


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While Animal Soul lets you be target-able, you do not count as your own companion. This is unlike counting as your own ally.

You see, the target of Spirit's Gift is the animal companion of you, not any animal companion.

/cevah

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