Dragonflyer1243 |
You wouldn't have to dip into Qinggong monk since it stacks with Sensei, and Qinggong is always beneficial because you don't lose anything that you don't want to lose and you can apply the Qinggong abilities to your mythic wisdom ability.
A dip into ninja could be beneficial depending on what your stats are and how long you intend to dip. You would need to dip at least two levels to get anything good. If you have a high charisma, two levels will give you a larger pool of ki and a ninja talent, which you could apply with your mythic wisdom ability.
Personally, I don't think it would be worth it, but it depends on your characters stats and their role in the party.
Brad McDowell |
absolutely. no overlap.
I ended up switching to Barkskin, Scorching Ray, and Gaseous Form for my 3 Qinggong abilities. By level 12, I could party buff Barkskin and a +3 inspire courage, and let them reroll attack rolls and saving throws. Marid Style took my feat slots and was my offense, along with Scorching Ray. I called him the Sensei of Ice and Fire. Haha...
Brad McDowell |
The deal with archtypes is that no 2 archtypes can replace or alter any original class ability. So when you hear people say that archtypes "stack", this is what they're meaning.
Take an easy one...Monk's Flurry of Blows.
Sensei's Advice replaces Flurry of Blows. But Ki Mystic does not. In this example, they stack.
Master of Many Styles replaces Flurry of Blows. Master of Many Styles will stack with Ki Mystic (in this example). But it will not stack with Sensei.
Do this for each ability. If there's no overlap, the archtypes will "stack".
Edit:
Qinggong stacks with every archtype except for Martial Artist. You get to pick and choose how Qinggong alters things. Always Qinggong.
Brad McDowell |
that's the way we ruled it. That's RAW and has not been ruled otherwise. I did keep the pools separate.
Gwen Smith |
Ahh okay. So just taking Ki Mystic with monk would actually stack the ki pools?
Ki Mystic is just a monk archetype, so there's not any "stacking" needed. You would be a Monk with the archetypes Sensei, Qiggong, and Ki Mystic. (I have a similar build of Sensei, Qiggong, and Drunken Master--same concept but a bit sillier.)
If you multiclass with Ninja, the ki pools stack (because of the Ninja ki pool definition), and you use the higher of your Wisdom or Charisma to determine how many ki points you have.
You can't multiclass Ninja and Rogue usually, so you can't have a Ninja ki pool and the rogue talent Ki pool on the same character without GM's permission. In that case, just ask your GM whether they would stack.
Brad McDowell |
Slow fall and High Jump get replaced pretty quickly.
Imbicatus |
That just seems ridiculous to me. That basically means every single monk in existence should be a Quinggong.
Was the intent to 'patch' the core monk with this archetype? If not then I have a hard time believing that this actually is supposed to work that way.
Yes, every single monk in existence except the martial artist should be Qinggong.
I can't speak to intent, but it has been clarified by FAQ that Qinggong does indeed stack with everything.
Dave Justus |
Based on how most Pathfinder classes that Piazo has made from scratch (and even several that they more heavily modified in the original conversion) work, I think that indeed they intend for every monk to be Qinggong. Having a choice from among several powers as you level, is more typical of classes than just having set abilities that you get.
Imbicatus |
Champions of Irori can't be a Quiggong Monk due to giving up Still Mind and they are the best monks.
Champions of Irori aren't really monks. Same deal with Sacred Fist. In terms of optimization, every single class monk except martial artists should be Qinggong. Not all are for various reasons, but there is always at least one power that can be traded out for something like Barkskin.
David knott 242 |
Hawktitan wrote:That just seems ridiculous to me. That basically means every single monk in existence should be a Quinggong.
Was the intent to 'patch' the core monk with this archetype? If not then I have a hard time believing that this actually is supposed to work that way.
Yes, every single monk in existence except the martial artist should be Qinggong.
I can't speak to intent, but it has been clarified by FAQ that Qinggong does indeed stack with everything.
And that would mean that a core Monk is effectively a Qinggong Monk who opted not to replace any of his default abilities -- but his options still remain open for all future levels.