Am I understanding Pummeling Style correct?


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It reads:

Pummeling Style (Combat, Style) You collect all your power into a single vicious and debilitating punch.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler’s flurry class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.
Benefit: As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a f lurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack. For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). If any of the attack rolls are critical threats, make one confirmation roll for the entire attack at your highest base attack bonus. If it succeeds, the entire attack is a confirmed critical hit.

So, lets say I am a level 1 monk, through abilities, I end up having a +3/+3 when I use my flurry of blows.

Does this mean I go to attack and if I roll, on the first hit I deal 4 damage, and on the second hit, I roll again and get 3 damage, does the second hit actually deal 7 damage? And if I had a third hit, and it dealt 2 damage, I would then add the previous 7 damage to that, for 9.

Meaning I would have deal 4+7+9 damage?

I'm just having a hard time understanding why this feat is useful if it doesn't work that way. Why would you purposely take a feat that only gives you one chance to crit even at your highest attack, for no other benefit.


It lets you combo your attacks to get through DR. And you get every attack has a chance to crit the entire damage.

so your example
first punch hit 4 damage
second punch crit threat, confirmed with +3 3 damage
total damage dealt 14.

first
second
...
seventh crit threat, confirm at highest attack roll, all damage is crit.

So you have an increasing chance to crit the whole pool every attack.

But the real strength of this style is the Pummeling Charge, letting you do this full attack damaging hit on a charge. So you'll have a pounce effect super early.


Malovec wrote:

It reads:

Pummeling Style (Combat, Style) You collect all your power into a single vicious and debilitating punch.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler’s flurry class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.
Benefit: As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a f lurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack. For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). If any of the attack rolls are critical threats, make one confirmation roll for the entire attack at your highest base attack bonus. If it succeeds, the entire attack is a confirmed critical hit.

So, lets say I am a level 1 monk, through abilities, I end up having a +3/+3 when I use my flurry of blows.

Does this mean I go to attack and if I roll, on the first hit I deal 4 damage, and on the second hit, I roll again and get 3 damage, does the second hit actually deal 7 damage? And if I had a third hit, and it dealt 2 damage, I would then add the previous 7 damage to that, for 9.

Meaning I would have deal 4+7+9 damage?

I'm just having a hard time understanding why this feat is useful if it doesn't work that way. Why would you purposely take a feat that only gives you one chance to crit even at your highest attack, for no other benefit.

Yes, it pools the damage. And pools the Critical (remember you have a 1 in 20 chance to crit with an unarmed strike, but the more attacks the more chance to crit).

I'll admit an example would have been nice.

Example:
1st attack: 3*
second: 3 but crit = 18 =[(+3*x2 from 1st attack) + [(3* +3=6x2 Crit=12]

Because you crit 1st attack because second did (total 6). Second adds non-crit dam to second which is then crit (3 +3 =6 then crit so x2).

Dark Archive

You attack an enemy with Pummeling Style and a Flurry of Blows.

Attack 1: Hits, does 6 damage.
Attack 2: Hits, does 4 damage.

Both of these numbers are added together as a single attack. If the enemy had DR 2/-, you would have done 8 damage (10 - 2) instead of 6 damage (6 - 2 and 4 - 2).

The crit part is as the other fellows have explained. If any of the attacks that make up a Pummeling Style full attack crit, and are confirmed, you multiply the damage of all the attacks that were made with that full attack.


Also it leads to pummeling charge which is a beautiful pounce.


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Does this mean I go to attack and if I roll, on the first hit I deal 4 damage, and on the second hit, I roll again and get 3 damage, does the second hit actually deal 7 damage? And if I had a third hit, and it dealt 2 damage, I would then add the previous 7 damage to that, for 9.

Meaning I would have deal 4+7+9 damage?

No, you'd do 4+3+2, or 9 damage; with no crits and no DR, you'd do the same damage. However, if an opponent had, say DR5/cold iron (which can show up at level 1), you would do (4+3+2)-5 = 4 damage, instead of (4-5)+(3-5)+(2-5) = 0 damage.

And if the third attack critted, you'd do (4+3+2)*2 = 18 dmg vs no DR on a confirm, 18-5 = 13 dmg against DR5/cold iron, instead of 4+3+2*2 = 11 dmg, (4-5)+(3-5)+(2*2-5) = 0 dmg against DR5/cold iron on a confirm. And since the third attack would likely have a lower attack bonus, confirming the critical would be more likely with the feat.

At lower levels the single critical confirm is superior because you're very unlikely (1/400 for your monk, if unarmed) to have multiple crit threats, and a single crit threat can multiply all your attacks.

At higher levels the single confirm is even better because multiple crit threats are still unlikely (if somewhat less so), all your attacks having crit threats are vastly unlikely, and your highest attack bonus should be able to confirm very easily [Can probably be pushed to 95% chance confirm], especially if you are pursuing crits (and thus taking, say, Critical Focus). The cases in which it is a significant damage boost are relatively common, and the cases where it hurts damage are rarer and less significant.

Plus, it's a setup to Pummeling Charge, which gives Pounce - allowing you to do a full attack and move in the same turn.


So it is clustered shots for melee?

Dark Archive

Effectively, yes.


What do you do if you're using two different weapons with different crit threats/multipliers?


Multiply damage for each normally?

Scythe Guy with Pummeling Style + High Crit rage Weapon Guy with Butterfly's Sting = Dead enemies.


It should have just been worded like Deadshot Deed, but with an Unarmed strike...

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Whisperknives wrote:
It should have just been worded like Deadshot Deed, but with an Unarmed strike...

Sure, once Unarmed Strikes can hit touch AC from range. :P


Azten wrote:

Multiply damage for each normally?

Scythe Guy with Pummeling Style + High Crit rage Weapon Guy with Butterfly's Sting = Dead enemies.

Well, it says punch... but don't want to start a discussion, just I see the feat as a help for unarmed fighting against DR.

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