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The reason why I bring this up is there is a Div with the feat wind stance and has a fly speed with no wings. The only reason I could think that this creature has a need for the feat, wind stance, is that it can fly with a five footstep upwards.
Normally, each square in distance going up is 10 feet in movement while flying. You cannot five footstep upwards while flying.
A creature that has a fly speed can five speed 5 foot step sideways without restriction in difficult terrain, it just doesn't use its legs.
Unless you can move upwards with a 5 foot movement for each square with wind stance, lightning step, or freedom of movement, there is no use in getting this Div any of those abilities for it would be redundant.
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It is double movement, but why is a double movement? I surmise it could be looked at as going uphill as opposed to going down hill. I was hoping someone knew where it was placed where flying up is considered Difficult terrain.
Wind stance would rock if I could 5 foot step upwards while flying. It would give new meaning to the feats wind and lightning stance along with the freedom of moment spell. Those feats are conditional due to the conditions of the dungeon or what have you. I see them as mainly useful for adventure designers having a monster in mind to make conditions difficult for the players.
Where I saw the Div with the wind stance feat was in a PFS module before the bestiary three came out. The feat has since been edited out.
Thanks for the reply, ciao
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The flying rules are an abstraction, so the double movement cost is not due to difficult terrain, per se. This is definitely within the realm of GM adjudication, though I'm not familiar enough with the various aspects of the flying rules to confidently provide possible ramifications if a GM were to allow such a thing.
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Archaeik, if I remember correctly, those rules are in the step up line of feats (follow through the feat?) that kind of allows you to take a second five footstep.
My uphill, downhill reference was in regard to gravity.
I believe because the rules state that it cost double movement to go up you cannot five foot step upwards. This has been stated in plenty a convention where I have played at here in Florida and once in Georgia.
However, if you can find a reference where it states that moving upwards flying, is difficult terrain, then that would give credence to the wind stance and so on, feats that I am referring to.
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You need to have effortless movement to get a 5 foot adjustment. The kind of movement you're making is more along the lines of making a 5 foot step. In Flight, it's the same as making a hover check because it involves moving at less than half your flight speed. So actually a flying creature can't make a 5 foot adjustment under ANY circumstances, unless a special power or ability is involved.
As I understand what you're posting, it takes a move action to move while flying no matter what. I thought if you had the speed of the movement you were doing, such as a fly speed, you can take a five step while flying.
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It seems like the movement in the Air Walk spell works similarly.
The spell says you "tread", meaning you're using normal movement as if you were walking. In either case, whether you fly, climb, swim or burrow, if you have the speed for the movement you are using, such as under the monsterous physique spells, you can take a five foot step.
This is right out of the latest version of the book, "You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed."
This is under the fly spell, "The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet (or 40 feet if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load)."
Apparently, you can five foot step in any direction except for moving up when flying. Slippers of climbing give you a climb speed of 20 feet. Using the climb skill with out the climb speed does not allow you to five foot step.
A 5 foot step is possible if you have speed for it. Speed meaning, the ability of moment you are using that you have movement for.
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It seems that it was specifically designed such that you couldn't benefit from Wind Stance from taking a 5' step; you need to devote at least a move action to get the benefit. In the case of a creature with only 5' of movement, they'd have to double-move to get the benefit. If you're slower than 5', it takes a full 6 seconds just to waddle/crawl/creep 5' and that is the exact opposite of quick, erratic movements that make you hard to pinpoint for ranged attacks.
So, wind stance does not give a creature with the movement of five feet the availability of a five foot step. Wow, that is big and very restricting.
I can't figure out a way to make the stance's feats effective unless I make the surface of the ground difficult terrain. It is a thought, stone call, sleet or ice storm are the only spells that come to mind.
In a home campaign, this might be a very potent combo along with CMB kinds of fighting characters. Control to a point of lock down is very powerful and harder to achieve.
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Half-speed is double movement cost; they are the same, mechanically speaking, in Pathfinder. If you're moving at half speed, it costs you 10 feet worth of movement for every 5 feet of actual distance you cover.
Hummmm... Your right. Not sure what I was thinking when I thought half-speed. :P
Please ignore my original post.
