Card interaction question - Ezren and Detect Magic


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Silver Crusade

Ezren wrote:
If you acquire a card with the Magic trait during an exploration, you may immediately explore again.
Detect Magic wrote:
Discard this card to examine the top card of your location deck. If the card is a blessing or has the Magic trait, you may immediately encounter it, otherwise, return it to the top of the deck.

Does using Detect Magic to encounter a card meet the game definition of "exploration"? If Ezren successfully acquires the card that Detect Magic allows him to encounter, assuming it has the Magic trait, then would that trigger Ezren's ability to immediately explore again?

I'm thinking "no" to both questions, but I thought I'd ask.


I would say no. If it was a vague wording, I might think otherwise, but it does specify exactly what you do: 'examine', then 'encounter'. No mention of exploring.


Detect magic "examines", and doesn't "encounter", so no. But if the card examined has the magic trait, and you encounter it and acquire it, then yes, you can use the power.


Remi, if you agree that Detect Magic doesn't actually explore, then Ezren should NOT get to use the power since it does specifically state "during an exploration". It states during exploration, not encountering.


I see what you mean (and I think that's what Fromper meant too, so, my bad...) We played so far that Ezren can use his power if he acquires a magic card with detect magic, but there could be a difference between "examine and encounter" and "exploration".
Good question, since examining and encountering are pretty much the 2 steps of exploration. I think it could be done either way... Let's see what Vic or Mike thinks

Silver Crusade

I suspect that the "during an exploration" wording in Ezren's power is to keep him from getting an extra exploration if another character just hands him a magical card. In which case, the intent is that any time Ezren acquires anything magical by making an acquire check, he gets to explore.

But that's not what the card actually says, so I don't think it works that way currently. Until we get a ruling from Mike or Vic saying otherwise, I'm probably going to assume that Detect Magic doesn't let him explore again.


Yeah me too. I think that's just detecting whats there....and not exploring it at all

Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Designer

It's not exploring. Just because you have the parts of a car lying around doesn't mean you can drive it.

Silver Crusade

Ok, thanks for the confirmation.


Well that's confusing especially when you play the mobile game that lets you use detect magic to encounter a spell and it activates Ezren's ability to explore. So I've been playing Ezren like that in the card game.

Also the way I interpreted it is if you're going through the cards at a location, you're 'technically' exploring it and also because it's 'your turn' doing the exploration.
But I kind of get why it's not exploration because you're not really moving, it's as if the magic or blessings are coming to you like a magnet. Maybe it should have been called 'Attract Magic' instead.

Anyways if that's how detect magic is suppose to play out, then ok not going to argue with the creators, but before it is a really sick combo clearing out certain locations in one turn if the cards align right.

I suppose the only way for that combo to work is if the description is 'If Ezren acquires any cards with magic on 'his turn'(as oppose to exploration) immediately explore again'

Speaking of which if I encounter mystic inscriptions during my exploration and get the magic from it does that trigger Ezren's explore ability? I was unsure about that part.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Nice necro. The app changes quite a few rules to make it easier to code and easier for the player to manage game flow. It should not be taken as an authoritative source for the physical game rules. In general, cards do what they say and cards don't do what they don't say. If it doesn't say you are exploring, you aren't exploring. You can have encounters outside of explorations.


The digital game is not a foolproof indicator of the rules for the card game. It's a pretty faithful port, but not foolproof. This is a case in point.

Encountering a card via Detect Magic is definitely not exploring. (If it was, and you did it before using your free explore, you would then lose your free exploration, because it has to be the first one of your turn.) So Ezren's ability does not trigger.

The cards you gain from Mystic Inscription are not acquired. "Acquire" is a technical term in the game. Mystic Inscription says "add 1d4 random spells from the box to your hand" (current language would just say "draw 1d4 spells"). So again, Ezren's ability does not trigger.

EDIT: Ninja'd!


Really, that app does that? I was pretty sure it did not, though I have not had Detect Magic in Ezern's deck for a while now.


Hawkmoon269 wrote:
Really, that app does that? I was pretty sure it did not, though I have not had Detect Magic in Ezern's deck for a while now.

My experience has been that the app works as per intended ie Detect Magic does not grant a free explore

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

As far as I'm aware, the app is intended to work like the card game in that respect.


Hawkmoon269 wrote:
Really, that app does that? I was pretty sure it did not, though I have not had Detect Magic in Ezern's deck for a while now.

They fixed the detect magic effect in conjunction with Ezren's power.

skizzerz wrote:

It should not be taken as an authoritative source for the physical game rules.

elcoderdude wrote:

The digital game is not a foolproof indicator of the rules for the card game.

Oh really? I would have never guess that with the game having a few bugs and errors that it shouldn't be fully relied on.

sarcasm aside(But thank you both for clearing up the card effects, sometimes it's really easy to skimp through what it does and doesn't do). The mobile game is a nice reference guide to the actual game(when it's not having hiccups).

Vic Wertz wrote:

As far as I'm aware, the app is intended to work like the card game in that respect.

It does for the most part, but it has some occasional bugs and issues that aren't suppose to happen in the game. It would be massively helpful once the game is fine tuned and fixed so that you can reliably go to it for reference on how certain situations in the game should play out.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Just for clarity, there are places where Pathfinder Adventures deliberately diverges from the tabletop game out of necessity. This just doesn't happen to be one of them.

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