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Apparently things are going to get worse for the New Crew of the Enterprise...
So what do you see for the third film? I thought the Coming of the Technology hungry BORG would be viable for a Dark Age Setting where the Federation cower in the dark hoping the BORG who are busy with the Romulans and Klingons don't notice the technologically backwards Federation but the prospect of Section 31 and the whole 'human-centric' bigotry poisoning the Federation from within will bring about a whole other Startrek.
I could see The Tribbles devastating the Klingons as some sort of Federation Biological Conspiracy to Take the Klingons out.
Can't wait!
I'll just settle for a "I'm giving ya all she's got capn" or "ye canna change the laws of physics"
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Still up for lens flares?
Dammit.
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Don't worry, they'll come back in star wars. And with all those lightsabers waving about, there will be plenty opportunity to not be able to see what the hell is going on on the screen anymore.
More on toic, i don't see the borg making an appearance. They're too much next generation.
I think it's time for the klingons to get their time as main villain.
What i personally would love to see is Gorn. I would like to see the design from the game used in an actual good production.
Same here. Sad that abrams isn't coming back, but glad he got the ball rolling.
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Don't worry, they'll come back in star wars. And with all those lightsabers waving about, there will be plenty opportunity to not be able to see what the hell is going on on the screen anymore.
More on toic, i don't see the borg making an appearance. They're too much next generation.
I think it's time for the klingons to get their time as main villain.
What i personally would love to see is Gorn. I would like to see the design from the game used in an actual good production.
Well if they still have the CG model from Enterprise, it's already in good shape.
Besides the Gorn and the over abundance of Q level aliens from TOS, what other hooks from TOS would make for good movies?
Don't worry, they'll come back in star wars. And with all those lightsabers waving about, there will be plenty opportunity to not be able to see what the hell is going on on the screen anymore.
More on toic, i don't see the borg making an appearance. They're too much next generation.
I think it's time for the klingons to get their time as main villain.
What i personally would love to see is Gorn. I would like to see the design from the game used in an actual good production.
Well if they still have the CG model from Enterprise, it's already in good shape.
Besides the Gorn and the over abundance of Q level aliens from TOS, what other hooks from TOS would make for good movies?
Garth of Izar would have been better the Khan. :(
But, I thought that the point of the reboot was to "Seek out New Frontiers" so we need to avoid retreading old TOS plots.
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I think being able to 'close the door' on open plots in TOS would be an option. Not rehashing. Part of the problem with CUMBERBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH was that we'd already seen a resolution of that in the Prime!movies. And of course there are the other Alt!Trek reprecussions that can be touched on. No Vulcan, people know what the Romulans look like, etc.
For example, the ice cream cone of doom doesn't cease to exist because the timeline was changed. But you could do a movie finding out where it came from and who built it before it destroys the Constilation.* Indeed, if PRime!Spock even mentioned the ice cream cone, I could see Section 31 wanting to get it.
Likewise, Garth of Izar would be an interesting foe**
If a Trek movie resolves issues with the Klingons, then no Errand of MErcy
That's just to name three I thought of.
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I'm all for anything that doesn't try to rehash a storyline that's already been done. It's an alternate universe, for crying out loud. A five year mission...that's a long time for things to happen. Take a tip that Lucas never learned: things don't have to be the same to be familiar.
I think being able to 'close the door' on open plots in TOS would be an option. Not rehashing. Part of the problem with CUMBERBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH was that we'd already seen a resolution of that in the Prime!movies. And of course there are the other Alt!Trek repercussions that can be touched on. No Vulcan, people know what the Romulans look like, etc.
That means that many of the situations of The Original Series are also invalid. But, we also know that J.J. Abrams and his cadre of writers do not value logic.
For example from the fist movie, both the Federation and the Klingons have been on the wrong end of the Narada. (The transmission that Uhura translated stated that the Klingons had also lost a Fleet to Nero.) So, in a Logical universe:
The point is, much of The Original Series is now invalid in the new timeline.
Likewise, Garth of Izar would be an interesting foe**
You missed my point here. Redoing the "The Wrath of Khan" story line was so stupid that it had to have been forced on Abrams by Paramount.
Counterwise, if Abrams/Paramount wanted to "throw a bone" to their pre-existing fanbase, using another villain from TOS (or TNG if they were old enough) could also have worked better with the existing story line from "Into The Darkness".
I just suggested Garth of Izar for three reasons
Heh, you have more faith in Abrams than I do, to assume the reboot was not his idea.
I do assume that the reboot was Abrams's idea. It was the "Wrath of Khan" remake that I thought was too stupid for Abrams. Paramount does have a history of forcing stupid decisions on its producers (Star Trek: Enterprise's "time war" for instance).
Then again, maybe I'm jaded by the recent actions of DC throwing themselves back into the 80's/90's from nostalgia. :-(
But STAR TREK: The Original Series is late 1960s.
Heh, you have more faith in Abrams than I do, to assume the reboot was not his idea.
Then again, maybe I'm jaded by the recent actions of DC throwing themselves back into the 80's/90's from nostalgia. :-(
nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
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Sorry Lord Frye, I wasn't clear. (I do that a lot)
I meant the reboot of Wrath of Khan being Paramount's idea, not Trek Reboot in general.
Aside, as annoying as Naomi Wildmon was, her and maybe one of the borg kids, would make for an interesting option in a going forward/Prime universe series, because of the time passed.
(Aside, I had to look up her actress, Scarlett Pomers. Not done anything acting wise in 5 years, and sorry to read about her battle with anorexia.)
They obviously wanted to remake Wrath as that is probably the most fondly remembered Trek movie, and probably the movie that had the most success and popularity with the non-Trekkie crowd.
I don't know though if I let Abrams off the hook. He has enough clout that he could have probably have gotten the storyline changed. As is...as someone who is not a professed Star Trek fan, I suspect he made have been part of the major push for bringing Khan back.
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I want a big action extravaganza.
Some hitherto unknown threat, that didn't appear in previous series or movies, shows up and starts sweeping across Federation, Klingon *and* Romulan space, and all three have to send ships to fight this alien armada. Big sweeping space battles with ships we've never seen before using tactics and weapons and defensive technologies we've also never seen before, less like one of the standard Deep Space 9 battles with Cardassians, Klingons, Breen and / or Dominion ships, and more like the mixed fleet battles in Babylon 5, where random bizarre ships would show up and do stuff we'd never seen before. At least once, I want some enemy ship to blow up and another ship appear outlined in the blast that nobody recognizes, and is not seen again, leaving even the shifty cloaking Romulans thinking 'who the heck was that?'
The threat has multiple different types of very different ships, crewed by different types of aliens, all of them infested by some alien crab-parasite that latches on to the backs of their heads or spinal cords and has taken over their bodies and is using their ships to spread itself from world to world, taking over new races as it discovers them. Nothing terribly complicated or involving tedious secret government conspiracies or Starfleet Admirals being dicks. Been there, done that, a lot.
Uhura figures out how the parasites communicate with each other (and their hosts) and McCoy has to find a treatment that will poison the parasites without killing the hosts, and Scotty has to build it into weapons that can be used both on ground forces (and enslaved civilian populations) and against enemy ships (some sort of drug-delivering torpedos, or perhaps some sort of energy wave can screw up the nervous systems of the critters and prevent them from spitefully killing their hosts as they lose control?).
Spock and Kirk can do some stuff, too, but I'd rather that other crewmen get a chance to shine. It's been the 'Kirk and Spock show' for two movies now. Move along.
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The Parasites from Operation: Annihilate with some upgrades? Would tie into the original series. I like your idea, the idea that they're parasites also leads to the problem that you don't know if you got 'em all.
Now it would be amusing if for some reason humans were immune. So you have all these 'hate crimes' from other Federation (and others) races aimed at the humans, that are actually the parasites trying to ostracize the non-viable race.
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Now it would be amusing if for some reason humans were immune. So you have all these 'hate crimes' from other Federation (and others) races aimed at the humans, that are actually the parasites trying to ostracize the non-viable race.
That would also certainly flip the old Star Trek trope on its head that whatever is going on, Vulcans happen to be immune to it (or Data, or Dr. Phlox, or whatever very-special-alien-character).
These kinds of parasites were introduced towards the end of TNG season one.
The Parasites from Operation: Annihilate with some upgrades? Would tie into the original series.
This was originally my idea of what Into Darkness should have been about. Since the creatures were killed by bright light I thought it would be a clever reason for the name. Also the mention of "family" could refer to Kirk's brother who was killed in TOS episode.
Sadly, I was giving too much credit to the makers of the movie. :(
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Oh, and there should be a deliberate effort on the film makers to ensure that for the entire duration of the film, nobody runs, I mean nobody, never; everyone walks, casually, or stands, no running. I was exhausted after the last one just watching all that running.
This! I wouldn't say I was exhausted, but I was bored. The scene where scotty and kirk are running around and chekov shows up, I was thinking, "Ok already we get it gravity not working means gravity suddenly changes directions, blah blah, you don't know about physics ok, get on with it already.
The Parasites from Operation: Annihilate with some upgrades? Would tie into the original series.This was originally my idea of what Into Darkness should have been about. Since the creatures were killed by bright light I thought it would be a clever reason for the name. Also the mention of "family" could refer to Kirk's brother who was killed in TOS episode.
Sadly, I was giving too much credit to the makers of the movie. :(
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Oh, and there should be a deliberate effort on the film makers to ensure that for the entire duration of the film, nobody runs, I mean nobody, never; everyone walks, casually, or stands, no running. I was exhausted after the last one just watching all that running.This! I wouldn't say I was exhausted, but I was bored. The scene where scotty and kirk are running around and chekov shows up, I was thinking, "Ok already we get it gravity not working means gravity suddenly changes directions, blah blah, you don't know about physics ok, get on with it already.
its times like this that I wonder if I'm the only person who found the motion picture incredibly boring.
Please, oh please, may they use the Guardian of Forever.
Actually, they could use the Guardian of Forever to restore the timeline - And prevent the destruction of Vulcan!
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No more time travel!
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No more time travel!
Word. I don't care for Vulcan being blowed up, but the *last* thing I want is for an entire movie to be wasted 'fixing' something that happened in a previous movie (like The Search for Spock, which farted around for two hours basically undoing the powerful ending of Wrath of Khan).
Screw the past. Self-referential masturbatory bullcrap. Warp speed to the future.
So what do you see for the third film?
A better movie than what we've been getting now that Abrams is gone.
Maybe something new instead of (poorly) rehashing the same old stuff we've already seen, long before.Less lens flare.
And not a single, solitary thing that even brings up the idea of time travel.
I'm probably asking for too much.
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I agree on no more time travel...
...That said, Imzadi would have been an awesome film.
Oh yeah. Although those actors are getting a little long in the tooth, and I never liked Ryker, at all.
Indeed, the whole Ryker / Troi relationship felt like a retread of the whatshisname / Ilia relationship from the much-maligned first movie, which I liked a lot more (and that's all on Ryker, cause Marina Sirtis totally sold Deanna Troi, for me).
That sort of recycling happens a lot, it seems, in Trek. The smartass pilot from Voyager being played by the same actor from an episode of Next Generation, and essentially being the exact same character in backstory, but *not really* because of... reasons.
As for the novels, there's a ton of great ones. Of the Next Gen novels, the one set in the Mirror Universe was pretty fun.
Then again, Mirror Universe episodes are usually fun. Intendent Kira could swagger and pout her way through a movie for me anytime...
No 'mirror, mirror', no 'Amok Time', no Guardian of Tomorrow, no disease that strips away inhibitions. These were all great--the first time. The next movie needs to be fresh!
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I don't accept that. I can't--SF is the realm of imagination...
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I don't mind something being familiar so long as it's not the same. You want things that will appeal to Star Trek fans that they'll recognize as something that's part of the universe they love. You don't need to reheat characters and scenarios that have already been done and serve them up again.
That said, sorry QXL99, but there's nothing new under the sun...any of them. Plots and devices and tropes and archetypes are everywhere and you can't avoid them.
That said, there are plenty of races and plot points that could be used which were never deeply developed in the original series. The idea of bringing back the Gorn, for example, as an enemy has great possibilities, so long as we don't have to watch Kirk make gunpowder and kill one with a bamboo cannon again.
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I thought the klingons were beautifully done this time around. I'd love to see an action packed all out brawl between Federation and Klingons. Maybe bring in the Romulans for fun. The Federation and Klingons need to make an uneasy truce to deal with them. No need to get too clever just KISS it for crying out loud. Especially in this era of break neck plot speed the simpler the better.
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The first two 'reboot' movies were about revenge. Time to explore!
I still think if they want to rehash something, I suggest they redo ST:V perhaps by merging it with "Beyond the Farthest Star" from TAS. It is easy to make a ripoff of a good movie, Abrams did it twice with two knock-offs of ST:II. Now taking a sucky movie and making it good, that takes real skill.
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The first two 'reboot' movies were about revenge. Time to explore!LOL boy are you in the wrong Trek era.
No, he's in exactly the right one. This is supposedly the beginning of the Enterprise crew, therefore...5 year mission...boldly go where, etc, etc. That hasn't happened yet.
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No, he's in exactly the right one. This is supposedly the beginning of the Enterprise crew, therefore...5 year mission...boldly go where, etc, etc. That hasn't happened yet.The first two 'reboot' movies were about revenge. Time to explore!LOL boy are you in the wrong Trek era.
haha you guys crack me up. The only exploring that will happen is Kirk and Alice Eve... er.. whatever her characters name is taking a decontamination shower together. I mean they need a scene between kirk losing command and getting it back again. Amirite?
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No 'mirror, mirror', no 'Amok Time', no Guardian of Tomorrow, no disease that strips away inhibitions. These were all great--the first time. The next movie needs to be fresh!
I will say, "The Naked Now" (besides the famous fully functional line) at least had the characters being intelligent with an AI equipped library.
"Hey this sounds familiar! Computer, do we have any records of people suddenly acting like drunken frat boys on a Starship?""Yes, the Original Series, "The Naked Time.""
"Cool! Computer, do we have the formula for the antidote?"
"Yes, would you like me to make some?"
"Hell yes!"
haha you guys crack me up. The only exploring that will happen is Kirk and Alice Eve... er.. whatever her characters name is taking a decontamination shower together. I mean they need a scene between kirk losing command and getting it back again. Amirite?No, he's in exactly the right one. This is supposedly the beginning of the Enterprise crew, therefore...5 year mission...boldly go where, etc, etc. That hasn't happened yet.The first two 'reboot' movies were about revenge. Time to explore!LOL boy are you in the wrong Trek era.
hmph. I loved my vengeance movies, but I could use a break.