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As inspired by my other thread regarding scatter weapons, here's my take on a Gunslinger Archetype devoted to scatter weapons: The Sweepshooter.
Some gunslingers feel that the true power of firearms is not in their accuracy or power, but in their spread. Dominating battlefields in large swaths at a time, these sweepshooters excel when outnumbered as no other warrior can.
Gunsmith: As normal, except a sweepshooter chooses a blunderbuss, dragon pistol, or culverin as her starting battered weapon instead of the normal choices.
Grit: As normal, except a sweepshooter regains grit under different circumstances than other gunslingers.
Three or more hits in a Scatter: Whenever a sweepshooter makes a scatter attack in the heat of combat, if that attack hits and deals damage to at least three creatures, the sweepshooter regains one grit point. Helpless or unaware creatures, or creatures with fewer Hit Dice than half the sweepshooter's character level don't count towards the three-creature minimum. This ability replaces "critical hit with a firearm".
Deeds: Sweepshooters are able to perform the following deeds.
Selective Scatter: At 1st level,as long as the sweepshooter has at least 1 grit point, whenever she makes a scatter attack, she may avoid hitting up to one creature in the area of her cone. Additionally, she may spend any amount of grit when performing this deed. For each grit point spent this way, she may avoid hitting an additional creature in her cone. Creatures avoided this way are in no danger of being hit by the scatter attack, but provide cover from the attack to any other creatures behind them. This deed replaces the deadeye deed.
Focused Scatter: At 7th level, as a full-round action, a sweepshooter is able to focus the entire destructive potential of her scatter attack onto a single target. She designates the position of her cone as normal, but chooses one creature in that cone as her target. She then fires a single shot, but makes as many attack rolls as there are creatures in that cone. If any of the attack rolls hit the target, the sweepshooter’s single attack is considered to have hit. For each additional successful attack roll beyond the first, the gunslinger increases the damage of the shot by the base damage dice of the firearm. If one or more rolls are critical threats, she confirms the critical once using her highest base attack bonus –5. For each critical threat beyond the first, she reduces this penalty by 1 (to a maximum of 0). Performing this deed costs 1 grit point. This deed replaces the dead shot deed.
Smoke and Sizzle: At 7th level, when making a scatter attack, a sweepshooter may spend 1 grit point to leave a lingering effect in the cone of her attack. She resolves the attack as normal, but may choose any one of the following effects:
Flash: All creatures in the cone are dazzled for 1 round.
Bang: All creatures in the cone are deafened for 1 round.
Smoke: The cone is full of residual smoke, providing concealment for 1 round.
Choke:All creatures in the cone are sickened for 1 round.
All targets in the cone get a Fortitude save (DC 10 + the sweepshooter's Wisdom modifier + half the sweepshooter's level) to negate these effects (except for the Smoke effect). This deed replaces targeting.
Menacing Shot: As normal, but for a sweepshooter this deed affects a 60-foot cone instead of a 30-foot burst.
Gun Training: As normal, except at 5th level, a sweepshooter must choose a gun with the scatter quality. (She is free to choose any firearm at 9th, 13, and 17th level.) When a sweepshooter makes a scatter attack with a firearm for which she has gun training, she no longer takes a -2 penalty on the attack roll.
I would make Gun Training work like Pistol Training but only on Firearms with the Scatter Quality. Don't most Gunslinger Archetypes only replace 2 Deeds?
Nice. There are some smart precautions here. I like it.
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I would make Gun Training work like Pistol Training but only on Firearms with the Scatter Quality. Don't most Gunslinger Archetypes only replace 2 Deeds?
I replaced the deeds that don't make logical sense when using a scatter weapon-- all the ones that suggest taking careful aim. Then I tweaked Menacing Shot to better fit the theme of attacking in cones.
I wanted a deed that lets you fire a bullet AND pellets in one shot, hitting one target and still doing AoE damage, but I wasn't sure what other deed to replace. I also wanted an ability that increases the width of your cones. I suppose I could've replaced the 13th or 17th level gun training-- let's be honest, you don't need gun training in four different types of guns.
In retrospect, I should've also tweaked Startling Shot to work in a cone.
Ok yeah the Deeds are better.
But I still say make Gun Training work like the Musket Master & Pistolero ones. But make it to where it applies regardless of whether the Firearm is actually firing the Scatter template.
So a Blunderbuss still gets DEX whether it is scatter or single firing.
Why not put it in a Google Docs.
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This I'd a really great archetype that fills a needed design space and would be wonderful in a zombie apocalypse. 5-Stars.
(makes note for upcoming zombie survival campaign)
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This I'd a really great archetype that fills a needed design space and would be wonderful in a zombie apocalypse. 5-Stars.(makes note for upcoming zombie survival campaign)
Seriously is everyone looking at my design idea notebooks!?
Seriously is everyone looking at my design idea notebooks!?This I'd a really great archetype that fills a needed design space and would be wonderful in a zombie apocalypse. 5-Stars.(makes note for upcoming zombie survival campaign)
who's copying who? snap[/joking] this is a well deserved and awaited archetype though.
Yes it is.
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That's a great archetype, kudos ! I like how you took into account the usual penalties and benefits of the scatter mechanics to make the archetype a master of this combat style, with more options and abilities to actively bypass some penalties.
Just some issues with Smoke and Sizzle though:
- Flash is underpowered against its counterpart. Why would I grant a -1 penalty to attack rolls when I can give a -2 penalty to attack, damage, saving throws, etc. instead for the same saving throw ? Even undead can be sickened !
- Smoke will be great, until you find a dedicated archer or any mid-level ranged warrior who will ignore it easily with magic weapons or feats (which is pretty much any mid-to-high level archer you'll see). Maybe obscuring all sight up to 10 feet through this cloud in addition would help, penalizing both you and enemies unless positioning yourself to see through a single square of smoke instead of two. Kind of a reduced obscuring mist.
If you shoot a lot of targets at a single time, you will be able to spam this ability for free on each attack of a round (spend 1 point/recover 1 for hitting 3 targets), menaning they will pretty much always fail at least one save, going against the concept of the saving throw.
You would be better reducing the overall potency of this ability (at the risk of making it almost pointless) or keep the original full-round action cost and make the effect more powerful (blind 1rd/deafened 1rd/smoke similar to obscuring mist in the area for 1d4 rds/sickened 1d4 rds). Just an exemple though.
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Thanks for the feedback everybody! I'm glad people like it so much!
@Azaelas Fayth: Doesn't Gun Training already apply to both single fire and scatter, if the gun in question has the scatter feature?
@Maxximilius: Thanks for the catch with Smoke and Sizzle. I admit, I forgot that Targeting had a full-round clause, and I was under the impression that you couldn't regain grit from a deed that you spent grit on. I do like your improvements to it.
@Dudemeister, 5 Toaster: I like the way you guys think. Though now I'm wondering-- if Golarion has zombies and other undead who can turn you into them, how has there never been a full-on undead apocalypse?
I meant have any firearm with the scatter property get DEX to damage then as it increases it gains +1 Damage like the Pistolero and Musket Master.
Limit it to Scatter Weapons. That makes it like the others. Even then inside a dungeon they will be very potent.
What about the trick shot deed? That seems like it would need to be tweaked at least.