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It was originally intended for fresh new characters with 0 xp only.
However, times have changed, and currently it is treated as a level 1 module, that gives out 1 xp and 1 pp for playing. You can replay it as many times as you want with level 1 characters and only a single time with a level 2 character.
I think the confusion comes from how it has changed its playability since release way back when. That and the fact that rules for playing modules in general has changed a time or two since then as well.
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Sniggevert, I'd like some clarification on these, if possible:
However, times have changed, and currently it is treated as a level 1 module, that gives out 1 xp and 1 pp for playing.
Why 1 pp? I can't find anything in the module to say how many pp you get, but it seems a bit punishing to only get half the usual pp for it.
You can replay it as many times as you want with level 1 characters and only a single time with a level 2 character.
As I understand it, you can only play Tier 1 Scenarios/Modules with a level 1 character. Level 2 characters have to play Tier 1-5. Can you point me to the source of the exception you stated?
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I am not Sniggevert, but I think I can help...
Chapter 6, Page 30 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organised Play states the following regarding modules:
Free RPG Day Modules
The 16-page, Free RPG Day modules are shorter than a normal 32-page module and are more in line with a normal Pathfinder Society Scenario. Currently, these include Master of the Fallen Fortress, We Be Goblins!, and Dawn of the Scarlet Sun. To bring the Free RPG Day modules more in line with the rest of Pathfinder Society Organized Play, all current and future sanctioned Free RPG Day modules will award 1 XP, 1 PP and the gp amount listed on the Chronicle sheet if using normal advancement. If using slow advancement, they award 0.5 XP, 0.5 PP and half the gp listed on the Chronicle sheet. These apply only on successful completion of the adventure.
In addition, further up the page:
As always, each player may receive credit for each module once as a player and once as a GM, in either order. Players must accept a Chronicle sheet for their character the first time they play a module. A player may replay a module at the GM’s discretion, but the player may not receive more than one player Chronicle sheet per module. The only exception is tier 1–2 modules. A player may only play a tier 1–2 module for credit once with a level 2 character, but may use additional level 1 characters to replay the same module for credit.
I hope that that helps :-)
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Thanks for the clarification!
But...
A Tier 1 scenario is not a Tier 1-5 scenario. Level 1 characters may play a Tier 1 scenario or a Tier 1-5 scenario. Level 2+ characters may not play Tier 1 scenarios.
Thus, I'd think a "Tier 1-2 module" is a module specifically labelled as such, and may be played by level 1 and level 2 characters. Master of the Fallen Fortress is labelled as a Tier 1 module, though.
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Scenarios have the hard coded tiers (i.e. 1, 1-5, 1-7, 3-7, etc.) with subtiers inside, except the Tier 1 scenarios: (respectively 1-2 & 4-5, 1-2 3-4 & 6-7, 3-4 & 6-7, etc.). For scenarios your character MUST fall inside the overall Tier, though it may fall outside the actual subtier being run at the table. So, a level 4 can play in a tier 1-5 scenario, even if the table is being run at subtier 1-2.
Now with modules, they originally were not intended for PFS play. They have come up the rules to permit PFS play to give players more options overall. All modules available for PFS play can be played with characters within 1 level of the level of the module. So, a level 1 module can be played with level 1-2 characters, a level 3 module by level 2-4 characters, level 5 by 4-6, etc. The only difference for level 1's is that they can be replayed if played with a 1st level character.
They have different rules for determining what is legal to play through them with.
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I think I can see where there is a spot of confusion, here.
The only Tier 1 module, to the best of my knowledge, is:
'Master of the Fallen Fortress'
There are also three Tier 1 Scenarios:
'First Steps' (Part I-III)
As per the GtPFSOP (Chapter 7, Page 32):
If a PC’s level does not fall within the level range of a scenario’s tier, that character can not legally play in that scenario.
So, only 1st level characters can play these scenarios/modules.
This is different to 'Tier 1-2', for which there are the following modules:
'Crypt of the Everflame'
'Godsmouth Heresy'
'Murder's Mark'
'We Be Goblins!'
As noted above, these modules can each be played (or credited to, in the case of We Be Goblins!) *once* with a second level character, and replayed ad nauseum (well, hopefully not quite that much!) with first level characters.
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So, as far as I understand it, to answer your original question, Marcus, only first level PCs can participate in Master of the Fallen Fortress.
(Which kind of makes sense, as the module is meant to be, narrative-wise, a precursor to joining the Pathfinder Society.)
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I think I can see where there is a spot of confusion, here.
The only Tier 1 module, to the best of my knowledge, is:
'Master of the Fallen Fortress'
There are also three Tier 1 Scenarios:
'First Steps' (Part I-III)
As per the GtPFSOP (Chapter 7, Page 32):
If a PC’s level does not fall within the level range of a scenario’s tier, that character can not legally play in that scenario.So, only 1st level characters can play these scenarios/modules.
This is different to 'Tier 1-2', for which there are the following modules:
'Crypt of the Everflame'
'Godsmouth Heresy'
'Murder's Mark'
'We Be Goblins!'As noted above, these modules can each be played (or credited to, in the case of We Be Goblins!) *once* with a second level character, and replayed ad nauseum (well, hopefully not quite that much!) with first level characters.
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So, as far as I understand it, to answer your original question, Marcus, only first level PCs can participate in Master of the Fallen Fortress.
(Which kind of makes sense, as the module is meant to be, narrative-wise, a precursor to joining the Pathfinder Society.)
Actually, the confusion IMO is due to the evolving rules for module play. As of 4.2 there is no longer a "Tier 1" module. The only restriction for playing is that you be within 1 level of the level of the module. So, MoFF is now in line with all of the other level 1 modules, and can be played by level 1-2 characters.
MoFF used to require squeeky new characters too, and that restriction was lifted in the previous season I believe. If not, it definitely was removed with this iteration of the guide.
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I took the text I quoted above directly from:
Version 4.2 (August 16, 2012)
I assure you, on p.32, there is still definitely a 'Tier 1' listed.
If I am looking at the wrong document, please let me know - I just downloaded it again, to make sure :-/
EDIT:
I can see where you are coming from - 'Tier 1' is specifically mentioned with respect to scenarios, not modules.
Regarding modules, the Guide has the following to say:
all players must use an existing Pathfinder Society character (without modification) within 1 level of the module’s starting level.
In which case, you *can* play Master of the Fallen Fortress with a second level PC, once!
The only problem that I can see is that the Chronicle Sheet still refers to it as being 'Tier 1', which could be a source of confusion for GMs :-/
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Ah, great, thanks! Now, I still can't play MotFF and follow it with all three First Steps, which I think is a horrible shame, but at least I can run that adventure (which I've prepared in the past, already) for level 2s should I ever run out of options. :)
Sorry for being so shaky on the guide. I swear I've read it several times already but it's a lot to get into your head if you're just starting with PFS. :)
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Sorry for being so shaky on the guide. I swear I've read it several times already but it's a lot to get into your head
Heh. Well, if the above discussion is any indication, that makes at least two of us ;-) At least we managed to reach the right answer in the end!
The important thing (and the thing which these boards is definitely good for), is that we are able to work-out problems like these, so that we *all* understand the rules properly :-)
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Here is the relevent pragraph from the Guide to Organized Play:
As always, each player may receive credit for each
module or Adventure Path volume once as a player and
once as a GM, in either order. Players must accept a
Chronicle sheet for their characters the first time they play
any sanctioned content. A player may replay sanctioned
content at the GM’s discretion, but the player may not
receive more than one Chronicle sheet per adventure.
The only exceptions are Tier 1–2 modules and sanctioned
Adventure Path content. A player may only play a Tier 1–2
module or sanctioned Adventure Path content for credit
once with a 2nd-level character, but may use additional
1st-level characters to replay the same content for credit.
In short, all tier 1-2 mods can be replayed with different level one characters or once with a level 2 character.
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Yeah, all mods are listed as one particular level but you can play in them with a character one higher or one lower than the listed level. In the case with tier one mods you can't go lower so you're left with 1 or 2 so they are essentially tier 1-2. And remember this is a mod, not a scenario like first steps.
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Actually, I like MotFF, First Steps and then the Confirmation.
Present yourself to the Grand Lodge and be rejected, only to happen to rescuse a Pathfinder agent and be accepted.
Then run some tasks around town to get more comfortable with the organization and then finally go through your confirmation to become a real field agent and achieve level 2.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Actually, I like MotFF, First Steps and then the Confirmation.
Present yourself to the Grand Lodge and be rejected, only to happen to rescuse a Pathfinder agent and be accepted.
Then run some tasks around town to get more comfortable with the organization and then finally go through your confirmation to become a real field agent and achieve level 2.
if it wasn't for the 'first character' boon that would be awesome to do for new players.*
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So does this mean since We be goblins is tier 1-2 module that I can apply it to a level 3 character once, since he is within 1 level of the level requirement of the module?
No. The goblins are all 1st level, so the chronicle can be applied to a 1st or 2nd level PC.
Similarly WBG2's pregens are 3rd level, so the chronicle can be applied to a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th level PC.
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For all practical purposes, MotFF should only be played with 1st level characters. Even if a current/future ruling clarifies it CAN be played by 2nd level, the module is really written with level 1 characters in mind. I just ran it with only level 1's (6 of them) and they did great. If there were level 2's in the party, they wouldn't have broken a sweat. It's just not that fun. It become an issue of practicality more than technicality.
I realize that if technically level 2's can play then you can't disallow their entry into the game but I think you can discourage it.
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For all practical purposes, MotFF should only be played with 1st level characters. Even if a current/future ruling clarifies it CAN be played by 2nd level, the module is really written with level 1 characters in mind. I just ran it with only level 1's (6 of them) and they did great. If there were level 2's in the party, they wouldn't have broken a sweat. It's just not that fun. It become an issue of practicality more than technicality.
I realize that if technically level 2's can play then you can't disallow their entry into the game but I think you can discourage it.
So, would you also disallow what you did, since the module is written for 4 15 point buy PCs?
For 4 PCs, no matter their level, that last combat can be brutal.
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I think the confusion here is that people are refering to Master of the Fallen Fortress as a Tier 1 adventure. If it is listed that way anywhere, it should be updated.
Only some Scenarios are Tier 1.
Modules all have a starting level. The PFS Tier for a module is level-1 to level+1. For Level 1 modules you can't be a level 0 PC so the Tier is always 1-2.
There is no "Out of Subtier" for modules because modules do not have subtiers.
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The thing that's different about this module is that it's chronicle sheet does NOT say that it's Tier 1-2, it only shows Tier 1, whereas other sheets like WBG! does show that (and that module also says it's for Level 1 characters).
Also, based on how the module is set up, it could be seriously imbalanced with level 2's playing it. Look at The Confirmation, it actually scales for a level 2 table.
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The thing that's different about this module is that it's chronicle sheet does NOT say that it's Tier 1-2, it only shows Tier 1, whereas other sheets like WBG! does show that (and that module also says it's for Level 1 characters).
Also, based on how the module is set up, it could be seriously imbalanced with level 2's playing it. Look at The Confirmation, it actually scales for a level 2 table.
And the chronicle goes back to when that module was released, it has NOT been updated for the various rules' changes since.
I am not sure if it was even updated for the change in how consumables and death in modules was handled originally.
I would have to take a look, but it might still show 0 PP...