Hey all so I'm fairly new here and this may be a basic question.
On chronicle sheets I have gotten in the past it seems that the price you would pay on the sheet is the same as the price you would pay if you just bought it.
However we just ran "we be goblins" and on the chronicle there is a +1, horse bane weapon (a total of +2) for 2,308 GP.
Now I'm the first to admit that horsebane is not that useful.
Is this a misprint? or does this happen sometimes?
I suppose my question is this.
Is the price I have listed correct? or is there some errata?
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actually the question is pretty straitforward. Several early Cronicals have items that need to be ... tweeked. (Bag of Tricks at the old 3.0 price, items that don't exist now like a Amulet of Health).
Are these season zero chronicles? If so, they were right when they were printed.
The We Be Goblins horsechopper pricing is correct.
actually the question is pretty straitforward. Several early Cronicals have items that need to be ... tweeked. (Bag of Tricks at the old 3.0 price, items that don't exist now like a Amulet of Health).Are these season zero chronicles? If so, they were right when they were printed.
The We Be Goblins horsechopper pricing is correct.
Awesome.
Now to hope to get a goblin race boon at gen-con.
nosig,
I could probably dig up the old posts from the archives with enough time and effort, but back when Season One started and Joshua Frost was still in charge, he said that items on the Season Zero chronicles were to stay at the same price and that with items that stopped existing once the rules switched from 3.5 to PRPG, you could get the equivalent replacement item. However, in those cases, I do not remember if he said you still paid the price on the chronicle or if you paid the price of the replacement item. And to the best of my memory, I have never seen a post by Josh's replacement, Hyrum, or by Hyrum's replacements, Mike and Mark, that contradicted or changed this.
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Are you saying that they do not need to be corrected? we can buy things from them at the old prices? I still feel my earlier statement above is correct. "Several early Cronicals have items that need to be ... tweeked." and by tweeked I mean corrected.actually the question is pretty straitforward. Several early Cronicals have items that need to be ... tweeked. (Bag of Tricks at the old 3.0 price, items that don't exist now like a Amulet of Health).Are these season zero chronicles? If so, they were right when they were printed.
The We Be Goblins horsechopper pricing is correct.
All I'm suggesting is you are broaching a different subject than what the original poster was discussing. If you really want an answer, chase down the comments Mark or Mike have said on the subject of older item pricing and availability. This subject's been trod on many times.
A specific example might be helpful. Without chasing down a specific quote, I'm pretty sure the stat boosting items are just moved forward to the new PFRPG equivalent.
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A specific example might be helpful. Without chasing down a specific quote, I'm pretty sure the stat boosting items are just moved forward to the new PFRPG equivalent.
It would be good if someone could dig this out. It doesn't say anywhere in the FAQ.
My Barbarian just stumbled upon an Amulet of Health - season zero. He has enough Fame to buy the belt to push up his constitution - but he already has a belt of strength. So he surely would be interested in the amulet as I doubt he will use the slot for anything else. And I like to buy stuff if it is on a chronicle sheet as it is 'more personal'.
But I don't want to be treated as - no - you are cheating - this isn't allowed. A combined item (+2Str, +2 CON) would take longer to buy as he needs a lot more fame first (and 2000gp more as well).
Off course - such an item would have the benefit it could be upgraded later as there are upgrades in the Core Book - the Amulet would be stuck on +2 CON for ever.
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It doesn't say anywhere in the FAQ.
Actually it does - under the section on converting (season 0) 3.5 characters into Pathfinder characters.
You must repurchase new gear, weapons, armor, magic items, and so on using the guidelines in Table 1 and cannot simply keep the items you have now (as many items have changed in price, name, and description).
I was going to post that too, but I also thought that was more for converting and not for buying from Season Zero chronicles after the switch to PRPG rules. lol
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Evenhar, I agree with you. Don's quoting from the rules about converting a 3.5-legal Season Zero PC to the Pathfinder rules system.
If you play a PFS-legal scenario, you can buy things off its Chronicle sheet. Sometimes those are not commonly available in Pathfinder, like intelligent rings or Periapts of Wisdom. It's not up to the GM to decide whether the scenario is in error and "fix" things.
Evenhar, I agree with you. Don's quoting from the rules about converting a 3.5-legal Season Zero PC to the Pathfinder rules system.
If you play a PFS-legal scenario, you can buy things off its Chronicle sheet. Sometimes those are not commonly available in Pathfinder, like intelligent rings or Periapts of Wisdom. It's not up to the GM to decide whether the scenario is in error and "fix" things.
True, but there have been posts by various PFS Heads about what to do with items on Season Zero chronicle sheets that no longer exist under PRPG rules. Those rulings never made it into any of the Guides that I am aware of, nor into the FAQ. We really should dig out those old posts or get Mark and Mike to update the ruling when they are back to work after the holiday here in the US is over.
Edit: Alright, here is a very relevant post from Joshua Frost right after Season One started. Here is the key quote:
You can play Season 0 scenarios with PRPG characters. Since PRPG is backward compatible, these can be played with very little conversion on the part of the GM (mostly CMD/CMB issues). You can gain access to the loot on Season 0 scenarios, but keep in mind that some of that loot may have changed in price or description and some of it may simply have vanished in PRPG. You cannot take loot off Season 0 scenarios that don't exist in PRPG and you cannot use 3.5 loot, you must use PRPG loot.
It still does not say what you would replace the Season Zero items with, but I am too tired to hunt down those posts tonight.
Michael,
You pay the PRPG price and get the PRPG version of the item, I am pretty sure. If someone does not come along and quote the relevant official post, I will hunt for it tomorrow when sleep is not interfering with search fu. lol
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however how does this interact with items who's prices changed from 3.5 to PFS such as the bracers of armor +1 (1000 gold in some season 0 certs) and 2000 gold normally.
Umm... You might want to recheck that... Bracers of Armor +1 are and always (since 3.0) have been 1000 gold. Its 2000 for Ring of Protection +1 or Amulet of Natural Armor +1, but only 1000 for Bracers of Armor +1 (bonus squared * 1000g)
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I'm guessing the Chronicle should have been updated when the scenario was updated to PFS and we should be getting PFS items, for PFS prices, not 3.5 items for 3.5 prices... right?
The only Season 0 scenario that has been updated from 3.5 to PFRPG rules so far is #5, "The Mists of Mwangi," so until the other Season 0 scenarios have been updated the chronicles could have 3.5 items on them that are different or nonexistent in PFRPG.
got it! thanks. I knew the PFRPG which I've seen PFR or PF... but PRPG was new to me. Here I was trying all kinds of thing to fit the letters... Pogs RPG, Poodles Really... (fades away now...)what's PRPG?Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, also sometimes abbreviated as PFRPG.
Heheh, I have been leaving out the F for quite some time now. After all, Pathfinder is one word and it just seems weird to me to make an abbreviation using two letters from the same word.
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You pay the PRPG price and get the PRPG version of the item, I am pretty sure. If someone does not come along and quote the relevant official post, I will hunt for it tomorrow when sleep is not interfering with search fu. lol
This.
The problem being that 9/10 people are going to see it on the cert and buy at that price unless there is a specific ruling in the additional resources section that alters it.
That's like saying it's the publishers fault that someone looks at the feat/equipment table and not at the actual feat/item entry and then complains about it being different than the brief description. It is no one's fault but your own (not 'you' Michael, but 'you' in general) if you don't fully check out the choices you make for your character before taking them.
So... do I buy the old item? or update the Chronicle when I update the scenario, or do I leave it at the old price when I give them out? If the Judge doesn't update the Chronicle when he updates the scenario, does the player buy the older (better) version or the newer (more restricted) version?
I'm guessing the Chronicle should have been updated when the scenario was updated to PFS and we should be getting PFS items, for PFS prices, not 3.5 items for 3.5 prices... right?
You buy the new one, per the quote from Josh.
I guess you could update the chronicle, but I wouldn't, personally. If it was a huge concern, I would imagine it would have been edited by now.|
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Check out the changes in the smallest Bag of Tricks.
I'd like to buy several of them at 900gp (the old price) that allow you to pull all 10 creatures in a day (the old rules) - and look, right there it is on the season 0 Chronicle (maybe a nit-pick, but it's not a cert and I'm trying to brake the habit of calling it that).
So... do I buy the old item? or update the Chronicle when I update the scenario, or do I leave it at the old price when I give them out? If the Judge doesn't update the Chronicle when he updates the scenario, does the player buy the older (better) version or the newer (more restricted) version?
I'm guessing the Chronicle should have been updated when the scenario was updated to PFS and we should be getting PFS items, for PFS prices, not 3.5 items for 3.5 prices... right?
Since 3.5 books aren't legal for use with PFS you use the PFRPG version of the item. I would assume you gain access to the item and use PFRPG pricing but I don't think I've seen any direction on pricing only differences.
Alright, found a slightly newer and better detailed post by Josh while he was still in charge, the important quote:
If the chronicle sheet on a Season 0 scenario offers items that don't exist anymore, cross it out. If it offers an item that's changed, replace it with the new item. Otherwise, you don't need to make any changes at all.
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Alright, found a slightly newer and better detailed post by Josh while he was still in charge, the important quote:
If the chronicle sheet on a Season 0 scenario offers items that don't exist anymore, cross it out. If it offers an item that's changed, replace it with the new item. Otherwise, you don't need to make any changes at all.
Unless Mike, as campaign coordinator, wishes to handle this differently and puts a clarifying rule in the FAQ, then the quoted statement from Josh remains valid.
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Unless Mike, as campaign coordinator, wishes to handle this differently and puts a clarifying rule in the FAQ, then the quoted statement from Josh remains valid.
If the chronicle sheet on a Season 0 scenario offers items that don't exist anymore, cross it out. If it offers an item that's changed, replace it with the new item. Otherwise, you don't need to make any changes at all.
It remains as it has been (see quote above).