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I guess this has been done over and over again across the years. I myself have taken many different versions of the tests. The tests all boil down to a few different options:

- Personal opinion: This is where you stat yourself. You tend to have either humble or overinflated opinions about your own abilities so it isn't reliable. Since this is what the OP wants I will opt out of giving exact stats, since this form of stating is silly.

- Other peoples opinion: This is a fair bit more reliable than the previous method, but still wildly inaccurate since different groups will have different ideas about what a stat means.

- The stat quiz: This is where a series of questions are set up for each stat intent on giving a truly measurable value to each stat. However it is fairly easy to simply lie a little and give yourself slightly higher stats than you should have. And the tests are never the same meaning you could have a high stat on one test that turns out to be average on another test.

- Real world tests: This is where a real world test is set up to evaluate each stat. Typically weight lifting for strength, reaction speed for dexterity, endurance running for constitution, IQ tests for intelligence, perception tests for wisdom, and lastly a polling of others to set your charisma.

My highest stat is Int regardless of the test method. I often score nicely in Dex, Wis, and Con as well. My lowest stats are Str and Cha. While I am athletic I almost never focus on building strength and instead focus on endurance and muscle tone. This makes me spry and untiring but leaves me wanting in strength which is often rated at average or even a little below average depending on the test. I have opinions... Strong Opinions. I am not afraid to let you know those opinions, so I am seen as low Cha by people who don't know me well. But to those who know me well we stay loyal through thick and thin. And in social groups I tend toward a leadership role. As for Int and Wis well I am observant, analytical, and well educated. I am privileged to count some of the smartest people around as friends and I think that is because I am not afraid to debate my strong opinions with even the sharpest minds... I am also not afraid to lose those debates when I have been out argued. Maybe that's one of the reasons they like me.


OK I will give it a shot.

Str: 13 (6'1" 240, not in the best shape but stronger than the everage person)

Dex: 10 (Average not clumbsy but no ninja either.)

Con: 10 (Rarely get sick and can take a punch or two. Smoked way to many years.)

Int: 14 (Smarter than the average person but no genius)

Wis: 8 (I seem to repeatedly make very bad choices even when I know better)

Cha: 13 (People say I one of the nicest, fun and most likable people they know.)


Oh yeah... class.
Since there are really only four classes to choose from (expert, aristocrat, warrior, and commoner). We are talking about real life right? I don't think I have ever seen a real life spell caster or any of the PC classes to be frank. I would say I am an Expert since I am college educated.


Richard Leonhart wrote:
I can understand all those "I can't play below 25 point buy"-people if they think that those stats represent them.

Looking at the stats I gave myself, using the the higher numbers, I saw that they add up to 25 points. :)

18 points if the lower numbers are used.


Richard Leonhart wrote:

so till now the average gamer has an average in most stats of about 13?

the average person however is supposed to have around 10.

Int seems to be the most obvious, is there anyone who has gone below 14? (except Xabula who frightens cats)

I can understand all those "I can't play below 25 point buy"-people if they think that those stats represent them.
Btw. I speak 4 languages fluently (but not perfectly) doesn't make me an 18 int.
I'm not saying there is no person with two 18's in his ability scores out there, but to probability to have him on this board is quite low.

It's fun to see the other side of "how do I roleplay X in this ability?", and it's about as diverse.

Well, the problem is that other than strength, there's really no frame of reference for people to use.

For example:

What is Steven Hawking's intelligence in PF terms? 18? 22? I think we'd agree at least 18, right? ... maybe not.

What is Kim Kardashian's charisma score? 18? 16?

How about Michael Jordan's dexterity score?

If someone has an IQ higher than 95% of the rest of the population, what does that mean in int scores?

Outside of strength, there's no real world baseline and scale to use. It's all just opinion.


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Richard Leonhart wrote:

so till now the average gamer has an average in most stats of about 13?

the average person however is supposed to have around 10.

Funny. You'd think all these super-genius gamers would be smart enough to know better.

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Int seems to be the most obvious, is there anyone who has gone below 14? (except Xabula who frightens cats)

Just for kicks, look mine up, up there. If you're interested in a voice of reason, mine's the one that nobody's hearing because it's no fun. And pointing this all out... exemplifies my Charisma score.


Anguish, that's funny.

I'm in the same boat here. My high stat is 13 and I'm an Expert.


Gamers are to normal people what adventurers are to commoners, it's only fair we get some good stats! :D


Playable Self (done on 15 point buy, I think):
Str 10
Dex 15
Con 10
Int 16
Wis 8
Cha 14

Realistic Self:
Str 8
Dex 14
Con 9
Int 13
Wis 8
Cha 12

I am scrawny and out of shape, but I have an amazing metabolism that I could harness to turn myself into an Olympic runner if I had the willpower and drive, which I don't, and it's reflected in my Wis. I'm also super-impulsive and terrible with finances. I was in a gifted program at my school, but our school was really small and poor so the program sucked and I never really developed in that respect. They tell me I have an IQ of 138 (which I understand could actually be anywhere between 135 and 140). Despite my lack of endurance, I'm a decent sprinter, and I'm tense all the time, so I have good reflexes. They're a lot better when I play soccer regularly. I'm also outgoing and easy to talk to. I was tempted to make my Cha a 14, but I think I would just have a few extra points in bluff and diplomacy. I'm also not a bad looking guy (even better with a little facial hair!), but I'd stat comeliness separately from Cha.

I'd favor ranger, archery combat style. I actually have a bow, and I'm a total wuss so getting hit with swords and stuff are out for me. I love the outdoors and animals, and I'd put the extra skills to use.

EDIT: While I agree that most of the forum-goers' stats would likely be a bit lower, I think that across the board, our Int scores would be above average. This sort of hobby tends to attract people who have a love of literature or mathematics, and those people tend to just be smarter. Depending on how you choose to compare Int scores to relative IQ - which there is a thread about elsewhere - then you may allocate these numbers a bit differently. I personally think a 10 is 100, and every point above or below adds or removes about 5 IQ points. I don't think that's the popular version, though, hence my second set of numbers reflecting that.


Strength: 11 or 12
Using common weightlifting exercises this is probably the easiest to figure out using the carrying capacity rules
Lift over head (heavy load) = military press
Lift off ground (2x heavy load) = deadlift
I get strength 11 with my military press and strength 12 with my deadlift.

Dexterity: 12
When I took judo briefly, I had much better balance than the other white belts and I'm quite flexible. On the other hand, I'm not very accurate when it comes to throwing things. Pretty much a guess.

Constitution: 9 or 10
You can figure this out based on the overland movement rules. In Pathfinder, a "run" is 12 m.p.h. (fast!), which is a 5 minute mile. You can keep this up for a number of rounds equal to your constitution. I might be able to keep this up for a minute, which would get me constitution 10, I'll have to give this a try, as I'm curious. Hop on a treadmill, set it to 12 mph and see how long you can hang on!

Intelligence: 17 or 18
Well, if we use the roll 3d6 method for stats, and ignore the human floating +2 to make things simpler, then getting an 18 is a 1/216 chance, so about the 99.5th percentile. I scored in the 99th percentile on the SATs and I graduated university with the highest GPA in my department, so this doesn't seem that unreasonable.

Wis: 11
I'm not particularly good at any of the wisdom based skills, so this seems reasonable, although I do think I'm generally pretty calm and level headed.

Cha: 14
Pretty much a total guess... I'm usually the leader in group projects and I'm fairly convincing in debates/friendly arguments.


Str12 - measured
Dex12 - compared in martial arts classes and other agility activities
Con10 - can be higher if I get back into shape
Int14 - IQ ranges between 128 and 144 (depending on test), gifted with languages and mathematics. Skipped grade 5 and learned university material in Jr. High.
Wis8 - gullible and thick-headed; misses details
Cha14 - people seem to stick to me, and listen when I talk

I'd make a great Alchemist, Bard or Rogue


@Beebs
99.5th percent with a lower score in SATs does not necessarily mean you're in the top .5 percent of the world, or are there any studies that show it's representative worldwide? With an int of 17 or 18 you should know.
And I'm not even debating the validity of SATs because I'm not an american and I know only what the Wikipedia told me in 2 minutes.


@Richard Leonhart,

It's not clear to me that the in-game score of 18 is even the 99.5% since with racial bonuses you can get to 18 with a roll of 16,and with a roll of 18 you can hit 20.

Figuring that 1/6 of characters will take a +2 racial modifier in intelligence, then even if you take the rarely used draconian process of rolling 3d6 to get stats, then 5/6 of those will have roughly a .5% chance of having an 18 int.

The remaining 1/6, however, will have an almost 3% chance of having an int of 18 or greater. That comes awful close to 1% if you combine the datasets, meaning that a 99%-tile score would more or less equate to a game int of 18.

Of course most players use 25 point buys, or 4d6 drop 1 seven times, or other generous means of creating characters, so the real answer could be as low as a 95%-tile being equal to an 18 int.

Just fyi


Mine are weird.

Strength. 8?
I never get enough exsersise when I do it's golf in a cart, golf with a frisbee or dog walking. My 7 year old is getting heavy. I may actually be a 7 but my ego won't let me claim that.

Dexterity. 10?
Here's the rub, I'm dangerously clumsy. I walk into things and drop stuff. I'm 6'4" with a size 15 foot that's in the way. Im also a hell of a Dart player, a crack shot with a .270 and a decent golfer. There is a weird karmic balance in my agility/ hand eye coordination that RAW just doesn't cover.

Constitution. 15 firm.
I can shake the flu in 2 days, if I even catch it. I'm so resistant to drugs I've twice woke up during surgery and scared the crap out of physicians. I can walk for miles and never really change my pace. I wear my dog out. If not for bad teeth and a smoking habit I'd be tempted to go higher, as a teen I was much higher. The aging penalties got me here.

Intelligence. 13 or 14.
While it's been 30 years since my last IQ test I was in the 140's as a kid. I scored in the top 5% on language based SAT scores. I broke the ASVAB (or whatever it's called,my best friend aced it in 17 minutes). I'm good with puzzles, but hate riddles. I win debates based on content (in my own mind). I'm great with basic math but calculus makes my head spin. I only speak English, redneck, broken Spanish and a smattering of Greek and a dialect of the local Native American pidgin. I'm basing this on the INT is x*10=IQ method that is being hotly debated in another thread this week.

Wisdom. 13?
Im good at reading people and fairly perceptive. I make some boneheaded decisions, but most were solid choices at the time. I run a bar and nightclub so watching the crowd is a job skill, perceiving the problems before they become problems is why I still stay employed despite my age. This one went up with an age adjustment.

Charisma. 14?
I've been behind a bar for years, that makes you falsely popular. Call it local celebrity. I can be a persuasive SOB when called for. Folks who don't like me usually have a mitigating factor. I'm reasonably respected in my neck of the woods despite the unsavory business I've chosen. I used to be pretty arrogant without meaning to, that's a side effect of the intelligence unfortunately. I'm working on that without the BubbaGump act that's occasionally necessary as an occupational affectation. I was once a social chameleon, but that has lessened over the years. I'm private but open. Working in a field where your professional life is everyone else's social off time is a strange animal. I'm not sure if the age adjustment was a positive modifier on this one.

I'm an aristocrat maybe, I lack the skills of the expert, the diligence of the caster types, the physical prowess of the martial types.

I could be Xabulba's neighbor and fear Raccoons.


Ill give it a shot

Strength 15 - Got a lot of core strength. My job requires that I move transmitions and short blocks around. I consider it about medium load.

Dex 12 - Not clumbsy. Good reaction times.

Con 14 - I can take a beating but im over wieght and not in the best of shape.

Int 11 - Smarter then the average person walking about but not smarter then the people I hang out with. Those guys are engineers and business law majors lol.

Wis 14 - Make generally good choices and not alot gets by me. Might be higher if it where not for some bad choices in the last 3 years.

Cha 7 - My ex-wife says im emotionally unavailable. Others have said I come off rude, gruff and jaded even when im trying to help.


I don´t think the "10 is average" really fits here.A normal person should be a 15 point buy.At the least a 10 point buy.Me personally?
I won´t even make the attempt of writing my stats down.I´m easily a 32point buy,if not more, and would only get jealous comments if I did:)

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Adamantine Dragon wrote:

@Richard Leonhart,

It's not clear to me that the in-game score of 18 is even the 99.5% since with racial bonuses you can get to 18 with a roll of 16,and with a roll of 18 you can hit 20.

Figuring that 1/6 of characters will take a +2 racial modifier in intelligence, then even if you take the rarely used draconian process of rolling 3d6 to get stats, then 5/6 of those will have roughly a .5% chance of having an 18 int.

The remaining 1/6, however, will have an almost 3% chance of having an int of 18 or greater. That comes awful close to 1% if you combine the datasets, meaning that a 99%-tile score would more or less equate to a game int of 18.

Of course most players use 25 point buys, or 4d6 drop 1 seven times, or other generous means of creating characters, so the real answer could be as low as a 95%-tile being equal to an 18 int.

Just fyi

This is what I think the "OMG THOSE STATS ARE TOO HIGH!" people aren't seeing. The base character is assumed to be using 3d6 and is therefor not at straight 10s, they're at 3 10s and 3 11s. Then add in the +2 racial to one stat. This means that the average character has a total of around a +1.5 stat mod. This assumes none of us have been around long enough to hit level 4 of commoner to get our extra stat point there (for another +0.5).

On top of that, rolling high is not that uncommon. If we use the normal distribution instead of what the normal 3d6 shows and assume a standard deviation of 2 (not a bad number), then those with an IQ of 145 should be sitting at a 16 int easily (IQ is defined so that 15 points == 1 standard deviation). Note that since 10.5 is the center point, the IQ145 would be centered around 16.5 (I had rounded down to be conservative).

In fact, anybody who DOESN'T have at least one stat of 14 or higher is probably undervaluing themselves, as the chances of not having at least one stat of 14+ is less than 10% before counting the racial +2. If you assume the racial +2 is put into the highest stat, your chances of not having a 14 or higher is only ~1.5% as all of your stats would have to be average or lower to dodge a 14. (My own stats have exactly one stat above 14.)

And let's not forget the selection bias. People who get into gaming tend to be more intelligent because being intelligent makes these kinds of pursuits more attractive. If you sampled gamers you'd probably find that they are, on average, about one deviation above normal (not a ginormous boost, but notable, it would amount to about a 12 average). I can't say whether there are any selection biases on any other stats, but I would assume that any such bias would be relatively small in comparison.


Stats I can measure:
STR: 12- based on deadlift
CON: 6(10)- based on holding your breath(based on running)
DEX: 14- I can routinely jump 24" without a running start= DC16 (take 10, 3 class skill, 1 rank)

Stats I'm guestimating
INT: 13- I know I'm above average on Int, but not by much (IQ tests around 135)
WIS: 12- I tend to be level-headed and perceptive, but have bouts of weakness/ bad decisions. Don't know if it would be ranks or raw score.
CHA: 16- I make friends quickly and people are generally drawn to me. I know it's my best score. Ranks/raw again.


Richard Leonhart wrote:

@Beebs

99.5th percent with a lower score in SATs does not necessarily mean you're in the top .5 percent of the world, or are there any studies that show it's representative worldwide? With an int of 17 or 18 you should know.
And I'm not even debating the validity of SATs because I'm not an american and I know only what the Wikipedia told me in 2 minutes.

You can't make an untrained knowledge check with a dc higher than 10 so you could have int 25 and still know next to nothing about the validity of sat testing. At least in the pathfinder model, which is what we're playing with here.

I used SAT scores and my performance in university compared to my direct peers to make a guess because they are the only even vaguely quantitative pieces of info I have about my intelligence. Anything else is pretty much a total guess.

Maybe I have int 10 but a ton of ranks in profession (student). Who knows! :)


Maybe we should ignore stats and just pick whichever class most closely translates to our profession conceptually?

While I would prefer wizard based on my engineering and science background, I think that makes me a bard. I get paid to write. D:


@StabbittyDoom
For a wild ass guess (your deviation of 2 and that intelligent people play more frequently RPGs) your math seems very sound.
I only gave myself one 14, but I feel fine with it.

However are we playing heroes or normals NPCs? I guess the latter, but most people assume the first, perhaps because we hand out real classes and not many commoners around here.

Edit: anyone else reminded of that southpark episode where they redifined the average male genitalia size so low that 99% were above average?


Um...

I'm of average strength. Really average. I carry speaker cabinets around all day, but thats a light load over long distances. 11ish.

While I'm a musician, i wouldn't necessarily claim to be any good. 10 dexterity.

I beat sickness pretty fast, but get winded after a mile or two run. 11 Con.

I'm smart. Not, like, Hawking smart, but smart. 13.

I am... not a wise man... 9 wisdom.

Dang it, i sell stuff for a living. 14 cha.

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

I have in my profile my best guess (or at least as of whenever I created my profile). Others may disagree...

Strength 11
Dexterity 12
Constitution 12
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 13
Charisma 12

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I'm a fairly humble guy but I'll give it a go...

Str: 3000+ Yeah when I do push ups the earth moves down.
Int: 900 I's smarte.
Wis: 900 I's wise to
Dex: 30 I'm so fast I can turn out the lights and be in bed before it gets dark.
Con: 25 I have never been sick. Ever. And I regenerated back in the day
Cha: 999 Imagine if Brad Pitt, a young Elizabeth Taylor, Harrison Ford, and Selma Hayek had a child. I'd be that child's better looking friend.

Grand Lodge

I will give it a shot. Mind you I am in my 40s now and no longer physically fit like I was in the late 80s and Desert Storm years.

Str 6 or 7. I am 5'10" 220 but the heaviest thing I lift is a 20oz coffee all day AND I had a bad shoulder injury playing football in College. I cannot lift 30 lbs over my head BUT I can curl over 120lbs easily, but I couldn't walk with it.

Dex 13-15ish. I am deadly with Darts, archery, guns, knives, and tomohawks, but I can't juggle even a single ball at one time, but I can walk on top of a hurricane fence. I can run full speed along a railroad track as well without falling even at my current unhealthy weight. The rail, not the ties.

Con 7? 8? If someone sneezes in the next room I catch a cold. I also have diabetes and tend to be sedentary. Constitution is really odd though outside of a game. I get sick every other month or so but I could take a hit from Brian Urlacher and keep going so go figure. Ok, maybe not Brian but I am far from frail.

Int 17 minimum. Yeah Yeah, I know; we are all high Int but I have been a registered Mensa since I was 14. I speak and read three languages unless you count computer code and scripting in which case the number is nine. I hold a Masters Degree in Applied Structural Engineering and two degrees in computer sciences. I work on the Executive Management team of a worldwide technology company and I have a head for numbers.

Wis: and of course I was blessed with a Wisdom somewhere around 8, or so my wife would lead you to believe. I personally think I am about average so I will say 11. I have lots of common sense but I have made some truly stupid judgement calls in my life so I do not consider myself wise.

Cha: I am as ugly as puckered walrus, or so I think (my wife would skin me if she read that), but I appear to have good management skills, but I not only lack skill in but shun social settings, so CHA 14.

STR: 7
CON: 8
DEX: 14
INT: 17
WIS: 11
CHA: 14

edit for funny- No wonder it didn't work so well for me back when... I rolled a "Ranger" *wink*


obadiah wrote:

I'm a fairly humble guy but I'll give it a go...

Str: 3000+ Yeah when I do push ups the earth moves down.
Int: 900 I's smarte.
Wis: 900 I's wise to
Dex: 30 I'm so fast I can turn out the lights and be in bed before it gets dark.
Con: 25 I have never been sick. Ever. And I regenerated back in the day
Cha: 999 Imagine if Brad Pitt, a young Elizabeth Taylor, Harrison Ford, and Selma Hayek had a child. I'd be that child's better looking friend.

Lord it's hard to be humble. When you're perfect in every way. But you gave it the ol' college try! :)

Dark Archive

STR Ranger wrote:

Wis. Sorry to Say I do make bad financial choices and I still haven't figured out my wife.

That has nothing to do with Wis; you'd have to be a 20th+ level oracle or diviner to figure out your wife! ;D


This is funny, I'll try and give it a valid guess for myself.

Str 12 (according to what I can bench)
Dex 14 (trained Fencer and martial artist, good reflexes)
Con 10 (I'm VERY tough, but on the other hand I've got cancer so...?)
Int 10 (I'm well read, and I'm smart enough to understand things, but I don't do puzzles for fun or anything like that. I feel pretty middle of the road here.)
Wis 13 (Life teaches rough lessons, and I think I've learned a few. I'd describe myself as cunning/insightful more then intelligent anyway)
Cha 14 (I tend to do well with people, I'm reasonably witty, and comfortable in a wide range of crowds. Also, not ugly - not gorgeous).

I weigh 185, 5'9 1/2 tall. Military, College, Licensed Masseuse. Boxing, fencing, and Martial Arts Training. 28.

Class would probably be a d8 hd, 4+int/level skill points.

So some decent skill points and feats. Assuming I'm a level 1 or 2 character, I'd probably have Toughness and Improved Unarmed Strike.

Hey look I'm a 2nd edition pc! If the stats could be split out into 2 seperate things like at the end of 2nd edition I'd a have a bit more variety with 10's, but ah well.


I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that anybody who is not a household name, or otherwise widely recognizable, at least inside their field, does not have a single stat above 13.

The vast majority of people are Standard Array at best. I think I'm a very smart person, and I wouldn't dare to give myself anything above a 13. And justifying a higher-than-13 stat with "I can do X or Y" have all been examples of your skill having a few ranks, not a high stat.

It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.


Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that anybody who is not a household name, or otherwise widely recognizable, at least inside their field, does not have a single stat above 13.

The vast majority of people are Standard Array at best. I think I'm a very smart person, and I wouldn't dare to give myself anything above a 13. And justifying a higher-than-13 stat with "I can do X or Y" have all been examples of your skill having a few ranks, not a high stat.

It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.

Assuming a rather reasonable standard deviation and using any of the more common stat generation methods, it would be a rare character who did not have at least one stat of 14.

The whole premise of this post is that we are mapping people with random abilities into the PF world. It is highly likely that the people posting here conform to a similar standard deviation, meaning it is highly likely that the people posting here are at least a 14 in one area.

Your assertion here would presume not only that everyone except a celebrity is average overall, but average in every individual category.

In other words, you are arguing that the diversity between people is restricted to less than two standard deviations in all six categories.

My experience in life is not consistent with that assertion. I know people who are clearly more than two standard deviations apart in intelligence, dexterity, wisdom, charisma, strength and constitution just in my own limited social circle.

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Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that anybody who is not a household name, or otherwise widely recognizable, at least inside their field, does not have a single stat above 13.

The vast majority of people are Standard Array at best. I think I'm a very smart person, and I wouldn't dare to give myself anything above a 13. And justifying a higher-than-13 stat with "I can do X or Y" have all been examples of your skill having a few ranks, not a high stat.

It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.

That is a VERY high assumption to make, and one that is extremely mathematically improbable (to the point of ridicule). Even assuming 3d6, the chances of an 18 are 1 in 216. If you pick the racial bonus stat randomly you have a 1 in 1296 chance of having a 20 in a given stat, or nearly a half a percent chance of having a 20. To assume that even those with 20s must be household names would be completely false based on such data, as a total of around 30 MILLION people throughout the world would have to be "widely known", which seems quite high give that you imply that this is defined as being a household name.

If we instead go more strict and assume that the standard deviation on stats of 2 and an average of 10, then a stat of 20 would be 5 deviations and would more closely model what you're looking for as only about 24 thousand people would be "widely known". However, as I noted earlier, over 90% of people would have a 14 or higher as that is only 2 standard deviations above norm and they have 6 chances to do so. If you assume they put their racial +2 into that, they have a 98.5% chance to have a 14 or higher.

Now, I understand that people are almost certainly overvaluing themselves, but 14 is not the magic "you're a legend" number. It's not such a thing compared to real life and it is not such a thing compared to the system.

TL;DR - You've swung the pendulum to the opposite end and ended up saying the equivalent of "If you're smart enough to get a 90th percentile score on your SAT you are obviously a very very well known individual." Which is the opposite side of ludicrous from the "everyone has 18s!" ludicrousness that's occurring elsewhere in the thread.


Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that anybody who is not a household name, or otherwise widely recognizable, at least inside their field, does not have a single stat above 13.

The vast majority of people are Standard Array at best. I think I'm a very smart person, and I wouldn't dare to give myself anything above a 13. And justifying a higher-than-13 stat with "I can do X or Y" have all been examples of your skill having a few ranks, not a high stat.

It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.

Have you ever met someone smarter than you who isn't famous? Or someone less smart but still above average? It seems that using the stat spread from the 3d6 method ( which yields a standard array character on average) accounts for the variation in abilities a lot better than no one but celebrities and best in their field types has a 14.

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A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution.

So for every 12 seconds you can hold your breath you have a point of Con? I have a 3 Con damn Marlboro. :(


obadiah wrote:

A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution.

So for every 12 seconds you can hold your breath you have a point of Con? I have a 3 Con damn Marlboro. :(

Holding breath is one of the more laughable rules out there... The average person can hold their breath for about 40 seconds before breathing. So that's somewhat less than a 4 constitution... The world record holder is something like 15 minutes, so that's a con of 75...

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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
obadiah wrote:

A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution.

So for every 12 seconds you can hold your breath you have a point of Con? I have a 3 Con damn Marlboro. :(

Holding breath is one of the more laughable rules out there... The average person can hold their breath for about 40 seconds before breathing. So that's somewhat less than a 4 constitution... The world record holder is something like 15 minutes, so that's a con of 75...

Agreed. This is probably the absolute WORST metric to use for constitution.

Resistance to disease isn't a great measure due to lower frequency of exposure in modern populations (and better health after exposure). Resistance to poisons and a few other things fall under fortitude saves which could be as much as 3 points higher without any higher constitution or feats due to base saves (who here is a warrior 1+?). How many hits you can take is better, but still not great as it then depends on how strong and accurate the person hitting you is (I've never once been knocked out in my life, despite being hit repeatedly against concrete, yet I only give myself a con 13 because I can't be sure they weren't just weak as I wasn't resisting).

Strength is funny because carrying capacities and things like bench pressing will give you very different numbers. However, I feel that is more a function of Leg versus Arm strength, which is something that the system doesn't bother tracking. If your leg strength matches up with a 14, but your arms only hit a 10, then you probably just need to work out with your arms more. If you do work out with both, then take an average I guess.

I could go on, but I think the point is made: Measuring this stuff is tough, but measuring whether a stat set is in line with norms isn't.

EDIT: Typo.


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
obadiah wrote:

A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution.

So for every 12 seconds you can hold your breath you have a point of Con? I have a 3 Con damn Marlboro. :(

Holding breath is one of the more laughable rules out there... The average person can hold their breath for about 40 seconds before breathing. So that's somewhat less than a 4 constitution... The world record holder is something like 15 minutes, so that's a con of 75...

Being able to run a mile in 5 minutes (50 rounds of 12mph running) also creates a totally absurd Con score.

Free diving and middle distance running are totally broken in Pathfinder! Alert the devs!


Thalin wrote:


I'm 6'1", 168 pounds, and currently running for political office (www.DavidLeader.org).

This is probably not a good move.

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MEEA wrote:
Thalin wrote:


I'm 6'1", 168 pounds, and currently running for political office (www.DavidLeader.org).

This is probably not a good move.

Running for political office or posting my link? I'm openly a gamer; that doesn't bother me... heck, if people hate me because I game, it's not worth winning :). I've spent a lot of my life being proud and showing gamers don't have to be the overweight socially disfunctional people they assume we are. We're just another minority that want to enjoy our hobby without being judged. It would also take 2 minutes of back-searching for me to find I was a champion pro player of an old card game VS, so meh.

In regards to "real" stats; it's tough, DND metrics are terribly inconsistant. I cannot military-press 175, or close to that. I can bench press 165, barely; and can carry a 40 pound backpack for a few miles (though certainly couldn't run with it on, much less acrobatically tumble and such). That would put me at a strength of 8ish or so (medium encumerance @ 40 pounds). But by real life standards I'm far stronger and have far more endurance than most people I come into contact with.

Intelligence is far more subjective. I graduated from a top rated school (Emory) with multiple degrees; and am a whiz at programming. There again, I speak exactly one language with "a smattering" of two more, and am not the best person on your team for trivia night. So maybe I am average intelligence with some very strong knowledge skill focuses. May explain my lack of memory with non-numerics (like names).

Wis, meh, nothing special there; but I do have very good eyesight and uncanny scent for someone who doesn't notice minor details like I do.

Con I never get sick and can walk 20 miles (far more than most), but have low alcohol tolerance and would keel over if a snake bit me. So I have no idea where that puts me.

Chr I'm an excellent public speaker, stand out, and am pretty handsome. People see me as honest and trustworthy. There again, I'm not a political or religious leader like the book might imply someone with as high as a 14 would be.

So where does that put me? Should I be low-str avg-int lowish-wis with some feat/class skill for the senses, low-wis... where the heck is that con metric, and slightly above average Chr and Dex? Or should I compare with real-world, and put myself above-average in all areas except Wis, and well above average in Con and Str?

Tough when you get the mechanics of a non-realistic heroic game involved :).


Str 9
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 10
Cha 12
Id make a summoner.


This is no fun anymore...i'm out.


Hyla wrote:

Let e put things in perspective:

Theos Imarion wrote:

15 str. I scare people with my kicks.

Skill rank in intimidation?

Quote:


18 dex. I can do handsprings, backflips and rarely get hit by kicks in martial arts.

Probably doable with Dex 12 and a few ranks in acrobatics.

Quote:


18 con I have been sick 2 in memory

Our society has good hygiene, plus you could have been lucky 10-12.

Quote:


Cha. 14 I get along with most people

Thats a 10.

True although The con i should add, I used to punch my self when I got angry and barely felt the pain. Also lots of people get sick once a year. Plus I survived my foot being cut open, almost cut off by a lawn mower when I was 3, my moms fault she backed up on it.

;)


Hummm... Lets see.. I think that this is how I would work myself out Stat-Wise. I'm a 32 YO blue collar worker.

-STR 12 (I'm 5'10" 195 Ibs. I deliver appliances for a living, making me stronger then I look, but not a body builder.)
-DEX 14 (maybe a 15, I shoot pistols and rifles competitively, as well as archery. I also used to trained in martial arts and fencing)
-CON 13 (I backpack, a lot. I’m extremely healthy)
-INT 15 (I’m actually a genius lol, no really. And yea, I drive a truck delivering appliances for a living, what of it, I love what I do! Lol )
-WIS 12 (I have good situational awareness, a strong will and my fair share of common sense)
-CHR 10 (I don’t stand out, I have plenty of friends, but am known to be short tempered).

Non-Heroic Class? Expert, with skills mostly in outdoor stuff, random knowledge’s and animal handling (I used to train and show dogs).

Heroic Class? Ranger (Skirmisher)... What other class would you give to a guy whose idea of a good time is strapping a 40lb pack on and going off into the woods alone for 3-5 days, and likes shooting things with arrows?


right classes (ex possibly)-barbarian I have a temper that makes me go in a furry, ranger (I know creatures, and plants), monk (martial artist), and fighter (trained with swords since kindergarden)


Wow. Sorry if I'm raining on anybody's day. I honestly don't feel the previous post was trolling in any way shape or form, this is just my opinion based on any number of things, and frankly, I find it pretty supportable given the essay I linked to upthread, which essentially makes the case for me. I found it convincing, and it points out that olympic athletes and einsteins can get away with 14s.

I think people are reading too much into standard deviations and how likely things are to pop up on a set of dice (the standard array is the average likely set of rolls on 3d6, BTW... elite array is the standard results of 4d6 drop lowest, and the highest stat there is 15.

And I did specify that some people with high stats may *still* only be widely known within certain specific circles.

This is just my opinion. I think people who are being defensive are still giving too much power to stats and not enough credit to skill ranks, but whatevs.

I really wasn't picking a fight or trolling, and I don't see it in my post, so I'm kind of wondering where this massive overreaction (flouncing out of the thread, announcing that this is no fun any more, because someone expressed a dissenting opinion??? WTH???) is coming from.

Sorry I didn't agree that everybody here has 18s in whatever they want. I will go somewhere else to express dissenting opinions, since they are clearly unwelcome here. YEESH.


Ah then I guess 12's are my high stats are 12's and I just have a lot of feats and skill points like 1 in survival, 8 in acrobatics, 3 in intimidation, 2 in swim (I can swim all day long), I have toughness and imp. fort. dodge


Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that anybody who is not a household name, or otherwise widely recognizable, at least inside their field, does not have a single stat above 13.

The vast majority of people are Standard Array at best. I think I'm a very smart person, and I wouldn't dare to give myself anything above a 13. And justifying a higher-than-13 stat with "I can do X or Y" have all been examples of your skill having a few ranks, not a high stat.

It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.

Humans/half-humans have a floating +2 now, remember? I'm -pretty- sure that covers everyone on these boards. :P

I think it rounds out the elite and basic arrays really nicely. As for what it does for the other already rigid core races... Well let's just say it makes me a very sad panda.

Myself:
It's widely agreed that wisdom is my dump stat, and I'm pretty sleight of frame. I've been bright enough and charming enough to get away with failing a few will saves against procrastination in my student life but that doesnt seem to be cutting it in the real world.

As it stands, I'm a first level commoner with a 11, 10, 9, 13, 8, 14(12+2) spread. My feats are spent on Skill Focus: Profession (electrician), because I actually do have a deep hidden work ethic. I can't pretend I'm anything other than an apprentice, but I definately don't have a +0 modifier!

and either Stealthy or Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword. ((I'm not ashamed to admit most of my PbPing is accompanied by me grabbing the nearest sword-shaped object on hand, and though it has been many years I have trained with a real blade.))

One of these days I'll take second level and get a real job. I'd like to take a ranger level, some survival classes, and hike the PCT, but my degree will make a schoolteacher out of me, and I won't pretend being an expert doesnt have its perks. (Like driving my girlfriend mad talking history.)

Commoners don't have to be totally unremarkable, guys! I mean... as a lazy university student I suppose I -am-, but don't discount the human bonus, skill points and a shiny two feats.


Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

Wow. Sorry if I'm raining on anybody's day. I honestly don't feel the previous post was trolling in any way shape or form, this is just my opinion based on any number of things, and frankly, I find it pretty supportable given the essay I linked to upthread, which essentially makes the case for me. I found it convincing, and it points out that olympic athletes and einsteins can get away with 14s.

I think people are reading too much into standard deviations and how likely things are to pop up on a set of dice (the standard array is the average likely set of rolls on 3d6, BTW... elite array is the standard results of 4d6 drop lowest, and the highest stat there is 15.

And I did specify that some people with high stats may *still* only be widely known within certain specific circles.

This is just my opinion. I think people who are being defensive are still giving too much power to stats and not enough credit to skill ranks, but whatevs.

I really wasn't picking a fight or trolling, and I don't see it in my post, so I'm kind of wondering where this massive overreaction (flouncing out of the thread, announcing that this is no fun any more, because someone expressed a dissenting opinion??? WTH???) is coming from.

Sorry I didn't agree that everybody here has 18s in whatever they want. I will go somewhere else to express dissenting opinions, since they are clearly unwelcome here. YEESH.

I found something that disagrees with your statement his str is in the 30's.


Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
Wow. Sorry if I'm raining on anybody's day. I honestly don't feel the previous post was trolling in any way shape or form, this is just my opinion based on any number of things, and frankly, I find it pretty supportable given the essay I linked to upthread, which essentially makes the case for me. I found it convincing, and it points out that olympic athletes and einsteins can get away with 14s...

Sean, I think what got people riled up was this:

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
It's all subjective, but I'm very amused that anybody would be so presumptuous as to give themselves a 14 in anything, let alone anything higher.

(Emphasis mine).

It doesn't seem that surprising that calling someone presumptuous would cause them to want to defend their opinion.

Really it comes down to whether in this hypothetical game we are creating npc versions of ourselves, if npcs are all given the standard array or get to use the roll 3d6 method.

Why does this matter? Because it affects what it means to be "above average" and "below average" which are about the only ways we have to judge our own stats, excepting a few specifics like the lift over head element carrying capacity.

If I was to stat myself with the standard array, I'd give myself:

Str: 11 (based on my overhead press)
Dex: 9 (not good at throwing things accurately)
Con: 8 (not a runner)
Int: 15 [13 + 2 human bonus] (best stat, got good grades in university, etc.)
Wis: 10 (mediocre eyesight, hearing, no professional training)
Cha: 12 (make friends easily, etc.)

In Pathfinder, there are tons of NPC Commoners running around with a 15 in one stat, so if we are to stat ourselves out to be Pathfinder characters, at the very least, 15s are totally reasonable, even with the standard array. Some of the people on here with masters degrees and fancy careers may even be level 4 (or higher) experts, and have an extra stat point to spend! Giving a theoretical maximum of 16 with the standard array, or 21 (18 + 2 +1) with roll 3d6. It's just two different ways of modeling, one with a wider spread of abilities, and one with a tighter one.


If I had to Stat myself out I'd say this is what I am

I'm 6' and 190 lbs.
If I was allowed to be something other than Human i'd say half-elf since I'm half Korean and the split culture thing rings pretty true, plus I have pointy ears and love the outdoors. It would also explain my keener senses and allow me to take my wisdom to 10 from 12.
Allowed a choice of a character class I'm probably a ranger, but given my stats i'd make a better Magus.

Str. 13 (based off the carrying capacity rules and I work out a lot keeping my body fat around 10%)

Dex. 14. This is just based off my own knowledge of myself. I'm definitely more nimble than I am strong. Plus, Ive surprised myself before with my quick reflexes and hand eye coordination.

Con. 10 Unfortunately there was a day that I could run miles. That day isn't today. I am in relatively fit shape since I actively lift weights and monitor my health. But I tend to never do Cardio. I do however have an amazing immune system. I never get sick.

Int. 15 I consistently score in the 150 range on iq tests which lands me in the top 5%, but I am no Einstein.

Wis. 12 I usually have strong and accurate intuition plus Sharp hearing and sense of smell hence the 12... However I do lack in will power and go against my better judgement often so maybe a 10... Hmmm.

Cha. 8 I'm average when it comes to looks but I am distinctly aware that I can rub people the wrong way when they first meet me. As many of my best friends point out, they thought I was a kind of an ass when they first met me. So an 8 it is.

If I had to do this using the standard array and an NPC class:

Expert

Str. 11
Dex. 12
Con. 9
Int. 15
Wis. 10
Cha. 8

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