Just realized I gave myself the heroic array unintentionally. I think I might make myself as an NPC next campaign I run just for fun.
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As a kid I trained as a free diver for spear fishing. I could hold my breath for 6 minutes while immobile. That's not even impressive for free diving fishermen.
Yeah that's a questionable rule.
Granted now days I smoke like an 80's buddy cop film star, so the RAW are probably dead on. : )
Personally this thread has forced me to call my mother and demand an explanation as to why I didn't get a 32 point buy at conception.
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Wow. Sorry if I'm raining on anybody's day. I honestly don't feel the previous post was trolling in any way shape or form, this is just my opinion based on any number of things, and frankly, I find it pretty supportable given the essay I linked to upthread, which essentially makes the case for me. I found it convincing, and it points out that olympic athletes and einsteins can get away with 14s.
I think people are reading too much into standard deviations and how likely things are to pop up on a set of dice (the standard array is the average likely set of rolls on 3d6, BTW... elite array is the standard results of 4d6 drop lowest, and the highest stat there is 15.
And I did specify that some people with high stats may *still* only be widely known within certain specific circles.
This is just my opinion. I think people who are being defensive are still giving too much power to stats and not enough credit to skill ranks, but whatevs.
I really wasn't picking a fight or trolling, and I don't see it in my post, so I'm kind of wondering where this massive overreaction (flouncing out of the thread, announcing that this is no fun any more, because someone expressed a dissenting opinion??? WTH???) is coming from.
Sorry I didn't agree that everybody here has 18s in whatever they want. I will go somewhere else to express dissenting opinions, since they are clearly unwelcome here. YEESH.
Having even one 18 is even more ridiculous as *not* having a 14. Hurray for standard deviations. Having even a single 18 is only a 0.038% chance. Having nothing of 14 or higher is only about a 10% chance.
Trust me, while Einstein could theoretically get away with a 14 in int, that doesn't mean they only had a 14 in int. Much of their life they were not in the exact optimal conditions for doing everything perfectly, implying various circumstance penalties that would need to be made up for by a higher int score. Don't forget that the PHB's checks are calibrated based on MEDIEVAL knowledge check standards ("hardest physics known to man" has become a lot harder over time). By modern standards those descriptions for the DCs would change, probably going up by about 5.
And the article you reference always says "most people". Yes, most people will be close to a 10. That's what the 10 is there for. For a given stat, something like 68% of people would not have a +1. That's true with the math I gave. It's just that people have multiple stats, and if you run the math chances are they simply should expect, in most cases, to have at least one stat of 14+. Is someone extremely unusual if they *don't* have a 14 in at least one stat? Very much no, only very slightly unusual. You would reach "moderately unusual" at no stat of 12 or higher.
The main contention I have with the article is that it says that most people will not even have a +1 to any stat, which seems completely silly. There are 6 stats, and the average person only needs a 12 in ONE of them to break their expectation, even if every other stat is a 7. I guarantee that if you grab any random person off the street there will be a VERY good chance that at least ONE of those 6 aspects is non-trivially above average, which is all a 12 requires.
In short, the article makes a few assumptions that probably don't hold true (such as taking each stat one at a time and saying "for a given stat most people won't even have a +1, therefor most people won't have a +1", which is outright false), and uses those to extrapolate ridiculous conclusions like "14 is legendary!!!!!!1!".
Einstein, in all honesty, was at 18, 19 or 20. Toss in some circumstance penalties for being distracted (personal life) or not having access to necessary materials, or not having full ranks due to lack of access to resources to learn those skills (at least at some points), and you find that the extra +2 from 18 is necessary to keep him in line with reality.
Strength 13 (definitely significantly stronger than the average person, but not truly exceptional)
Dexterity 10 (if dexterity were broken down into manual dexterity and agility, I'd definitely have a penalty to the first, and be maybe even a little above average in the latter. So maybe a ten with a "flaw" or something like that)
Constitution 11 (despite my physical strength, I wouldn't rate my endurance or resistance to disease as hardly any better than the average person's)
Intelligence 14 (assessments have rated my intelligence as being genius level, or close to it. Fourteen might actually be a conservative estimate and I certainly have at least a thirteen)
Wisdom 8 (Willpower, common sense, awareness, and intuition are things I am somewhat deficient in)
Charisma 7 (My worst score, by far. It might be lower.)
So basically, that's less than the basic array, or the low fantasy ability score points. I do, however have an exceptional intelligence.
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Its so difficult to measure your own achievements... Especially with the sliding scale of what they represent. When you look at stat descriptions for things such as strength, you realise just what a 12 or 13 represents... How many of us can lift our own body weight above our heads? Using average probability to argue we should have higher stats doesn't wash with me, thats for random generation of heroes, the majority of the world is occupied by NPC's, where most of us will sit.
The commoner array is 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8. +2 to one stat for being human.
Some of us will undoubably be able to lift huge weights. I tried to train up to lift my own body weight and got to about 70kgs before levelling out. That would give me strength 13 by the table. I am probably the best weight lifter among my peers, but am I the strongest..?
Most other things aren't easily measured. I have 2 degrees and an IQ around 130, but speak no languages other than English. I have dyslexia which makes learning difficult. Could put me as low as 8 int, with a bunch of class skills (-1 skill per level due to learning difficulties), could put me at 13 int if the IQ measure is used...
Constitution? I can run a marathon,takes me 4 hours. Do I have endurance as a feat or above average constitution? I get ill, but have no chronic conditions. I have a failry good pain tollerance...
Of course I'd like to have a heroic array or better, and on that basis, and the fact that this is a fantasy lets go for...
Str 16, I'm the strongest of my friends
Dex 10, nothing special
Con 15 I can run a marathon
Int 13 I have 2 degrees
Wis 15, I'm filling this out, but normally have common sense...
Cha 13, my job relies on communication, but I probably have Diplomacy as a class skill.
sorry, can't keep my mouth shut when i read this thread.
A more relevant picture might be: stat yourself out with a 15 point buy and npc class levels.
but, going with the flow: my stats
str:7 (based on lift/carry charts)
dex:8 (i can dance, good kinestetic sense, but out if shape)
con:10 (well above avg at high school, lower now)
int:14-15 (phd, former participant in intnatl science competition)
wis:12 (lower perception, good willpower and self-awareness)
cha:13 (strong personality, take charge type, performing talent)
high skills:
knowledge(natural science)
perform(music(various))
now for the RANT:
1: Averages
"my con is 18 because i never get sick. my con is 8 because i have a lot of medical issues. My str is 8 because i'm weaker than most other people".
The average is supposed to be around 11. For every 14 str person there is a str 8 person. (before applying age modifiers). The heroic array is supposed to be heroic (olympic athletes, nobel laureates amd such). The problem is that all DnD characters are heroes, so we stat ourselves out as heroes.
2: Variance and self-delution
"my int is 16 because i speak 3 langugages. My int is 16-18 because people tell me i'm really smart. My int is 14 because i have 4 degrees and a measured 142 IQ"
"my con is 18 because i seldom get sick. my con is 15 because i run marathons".
It is a my observation that those that have objectively verifiable high stats rate themselves 14-15, and that 16+ stats seem to be based on vague "i'm quite strong" statements.
The 140 IQ guys are about 2 standard deviations above the average (ie above the 95% herd). This is why these guys rate themselves int 14 (they are smart enough to do the maths). (i rate myself 14 in AD&D 3-18 scale but 15 on 3E/3.5/PF scale which in 3-20)
3: int, cha and skills
Speak 3 languages? That means you have 2 points in linguistics. French-canadians are not significantly brighter than americans (?). Learning a new language with 1/3 the normal effort? now we're talking INT score.
Can you handle 200 students on a daily basis? Then you got good skills in diplomacy, intimdate or profession:teacher. Are you a good performer? Gratz, you got perform skill. 18 charisma is the kind of person that goes on hollywood auditions and gets the role even though you dont match the description.
So... When I did my two sets - the 15 pt buy, and then the "realistic" one - the "realistic one" comes out a mere +1 net modifier...
The standard array has a net of 0 modifier before racial adjustment. A human would add a +2 anywhere to make the net modifier a +1.
Am I out of line? I thought I was rather objective in my self-assessment.
Str 8 - I am weaker than most people I know; I can lift furniture and stuff, but I struggle with that stuff. I don't have a weight amount to base this on. May be higher or lower, depending on your preferred method of measurement.
Dex 14 - I could list many reasons for this one, and I'm certain none would be satisfactory alone, but it would take a lot of space to give enough evidence. Marksmanship, footwork and agility, tactile sensitivity, reflexes... This is my most nurtured attribute, but not quite the one I place the most stock in.
Con 9 - I am really out of shape. This really could be an 8, but I also have an excellent metabolism, and can build up my endurance very quickly (1 mile run started at 13:30, and within 4 weeks, only running twice a week, I was down to 9:55). Not sure about this one, but I say it's low.
Int 13 - IQ 138. Rounded down for potential variance or deviation. I don't know any other languages, though gaining languages for free for having a higher modifier is a rule I never agreed with. Also, being in Tennessee, I'm exposed to a lot of people who suffer from poor education, so I had to be careful not to think myself MUCH smarter by way of comparison.
Wis 8 - I am impulsive and lack willpower and/or the ability to maintain a responsible schedule (hey, look, I'm a lazy gifted college kid; how rare is that combo?).
Cha 12 - One could justify a lot of this with ranks in Diplomacy and Bluff, but a lot of the way I interact with people is natural to me. I am friendly, sincere, and relatively attractive.
OK, this is simply fun, so I have to give it a try.
Str: 7(-2) I'm not particularly strong.
Dex: 13 (+1) I'm faster in the reflex department than most, also do well with dance, and sports that rely more on sudden movements and balance than strength.
Con: 12 (+1) I'm going to say above average, I almost never get sick, and am in reasonable shape for my age (48), I also heal rather quickly.
Int 13(+1) this one is hard for me too pinpoint, I have an IQ of around 145, but also have aspergers, so some skill set's are much harder for me than others.
Wis 14 (+2) another one that's hard for me to pin point, I'm very perceptive in regards to the subtlies....the obviouse often goes right over my head.
Cha:14 (+2) People naturally gravitate to me for advice and guidance.
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Using average probability to argue we should have higher stats doesn't wash with me, thats for random generation of heroes, the majority of the world is occupied by NPC's, where most of us will sit.
*cough* I was doing the argument from the point of view of NPCs, not from the point of view of heroes. Heroes would just consider their starting point a 12.5 instead of 10.5, but probably have the same standard deviation. For a hero, not having at least one stat of 16+ would be surprising (as it should be, as there's only a 1.5% chance of that if they assign their racial bonus to their highest stat). It would be slightly less surprising to see an NPC without a 14+ (about an 8 or 9% chance) because they have a 1 in 3 chance of putting their racial +2 into either the 12 or the 13 granted by the standard array.
Constitution? I can run a marathon,takes me 4 hours. Do I have endurance as a feat or above average constitution?
This, however, is a very good point I tried to make a couple pages ago, but seemed to have gone straight by.
The following things can very easily screw with most of the measures for these stats: Feats, traits, base saves and skill ranks. Other things can probably screw with it too, but not as directly and bluntly.
The 140 IQ guys are about 2 standard deviations above the average (ie above the 95% herd). This is why these guys rate themselves int 14 (they are smart enough to do the maths). (i rate myself 14 in AD&D 3-18 scale but 15 on 3E/3.5/PF scale which in 3-20)
The IQ system is designed so that every 15 points in a standard deviation. That puts an IQ of 140 at closer to 3 standard deviations above the norm (2.67). If the base is 10.5 (which matches the standard NPC array), and the standard deviation is 2, then an IQ of 140 is a high 15 or a low 16 (15.84).
(For my personal Int score, I have tested anywhere from 128 to 145 depending on the test. However, only one ever gave a 128, the rest were no lower than 138, and the 128 is the least recent of the tests. I gave myself a 16 because I rounded after discarding outliers. It may be a 15, those tests aren't 100% accurate.)
If I had to make myself with a 15 point buy...
13
14
13
16 (+2 racial)
8
10
Since 15 point buy is the "heroic" standard (with 3 point buy being the NPC standard), I will pick a PC class: Barbarian [Urban archetype]. Sub-optimal, but fits my history.
If I had to do my own stats as an NPC (3 point buy):
12
11
12
15 (+2 racial)
7
9
I tried this once. The result was too depressing.
STR: 16 (Based on encumbrance tables and max press. While actively weightlifting in college it was more like 18, bordering on 19 when I injured my back badly enough I had to quit.)
DEX: 10 (Reasonable reflexes, nothing special)
CON: 13 (Somewhat tougher than average, good tolerance for illness)
INT: 15 (Well above average overall in academics, learning tends to come easily, but not at the pinnacle of human ability.)
WIS: 10 (About average on perception and willpower.)
CHA: 9 (A bit awkward socially, and sufficiently overweight that I've never been considered particularly attractive.)
Strength. 12 I'm stronger than average
Dexterity. 12 I can catch things reflexively
Constitution. 10 I can exercise for long periods, but I get sick often
Intelligence. 10 I have middle of the road Int.
Wisdom. 14 very little gets past me. I often utilize intuition over logic
Charisma. 10 I can interact with people when needed
Edit to add: My class, Fighter, because they are awesome.
Strength. 13 I carry around 40-50 pounds of schoolbook on my back all day and that is a light load so i think this is a fair number.
Dexterity. 10 Not sure how to measure this with game stats. I don't trip up hardly ever. Might be lower might be higher. Id say I'm an average shot with a ranged weapon but maybe i have a High BAB. now sure here.
Constitution. 12 I rarely get the flu, And when i do its not for very long.
Intelligence. 13 (Just used IQ/10)
Wisdom. 10 Again not sure to measure this one i would say i have good common sense but at times i have poor impulse control. So I'm just gonna error on the side of average here.
Charisma. 13 I might be patting my own back here but most everyone really likes me, And i like to think I'm funny.
Low Fantasy - 10 Point buy
Lawful Good
STR - 12 Martial Training - (Boxing, Mixed Martial), Rock Climing, Life Guard
DEX - 13 Archer, Difficult to hit or hold - Martial Training - (Aikido, Tai Chi), Biker, Ambidexterous
CON - 11 Endurance training for physical activities such as Soccer, Swimming.
INT - 10 Int is standard due to a high number of skill points with class.
WIS - 12 High Perception for weak points and openings, foot/hand holds, persons in distress, also sense motive, woodsy
CHA - 12 Very good with people and willing to lead when needed.
Human +2 can go to almost anything to make me great. I so want to have a +2...
This is a completely sub-optimal but close to real-world build:
(ex) Monk 1/Expert 3
AL: CG
Str: 10 - nothing special here.
Dex: 15 - Lots of martial arts training and reasonably quick reflexes
Con: 9 - Used to be about 14, but I've seen better days
Int: 13 - Smart enough, but not anything impressive
Wis: 14 - Been around, made some bad decisions and learned from them
Cha: 11 - Okay at making friends, can get my point across without being abrasive
HP: 19
AC: 15
Saves:
Fort: +2; Refl: +5; Will: +6
BAB: +2
Flurry of Blows: +3/+3 (Weapon Finesse/Unarmed) for 1d6/1d6
Feats: Dodge (1st Monk), Weapon Finesse (1st), Improved Initiative (1st), Scholar (3rd)
Languages: English, Chinese
Acrobatics 1 Rank (+6); Bluff 2 Ranks (+5); Craft/Computers 3 Ranks (+7); Craft/Sewing 3 Ranks (+7); Diplomacy 1 Rank (+4); Intimidate 1 Rank (+5); Knowledge/History 2 Ranks (+6); Knowledge/Local 2 Ranks (+6); Knowledge/Religion 3 Ranks (+9); Knowledge/Technology 3 Ranks (+9); Perception 1 Rank (+6); Profession/IT Guy 2 Rank (+7); Sense Motive 2 Ranks (+7); Stealth 2 Rank (+7)
Str 10 (based on my current military press)
Dex 12 (I have ridiculous reflexes from ultimate frisbee)
Con 12 (Long distance runner, social sports player, rarely get sick)
Int 13 (Math professional)
Wis 10 (8 when drunk)
Cha 8 (8 when drunk)
2nd level Human expert, 11 hp (more stab proof than the average code jockey)
Languages: Common, Fortran
Feats: Skill Focus (Knowledge Mathematics), Athletic (+2 on climb and swim checks)
Skills (all class skills):
Profession (Programmer) 2 ranks
Profession (Researcher) 2 ranks
Swim 2 ranks
Survival 1 rank (Boy Scouts)
Handle Animal 1 rank (Cat owner)
Linguistics 1 rank (somewhat proficient in Spanish)
Climb 1 rank
Knowledge (Engineering) 2 ranks
Knowledge (Arcana/Mathematics) 2 ranks
Languages: Common, Fortran
Awesome you have Fortran as an actual language. For balance reasons, it would be nice if that Cha went UP while drinking when your Wis went down...I guess real life isn't balanced!
Actually, when drunk you're considered to have the sickened condition. Which means you'd have a 2 penalty on all attack rolls, weapon damage rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks, not just to wisdom and charisma.
That certainly makes sense; drinking isn't going to make anyone better at combat IRL, unless of course you consider deadening your nerves as a benefit. However, I can see an introvert's Charisma bonus actually being raise, as he is less inhibited and might actually TALK to someone. Might make an interesting Trait.
Gosh darn it! I can't believe the Pathfinder Stat version of myself has an inaccuracy! I also realized that I missed out on my +1 skill ranks/lvl for being human so maybe I can take a racial trait 'rugby liver' that ameliorates some of the penalties from drinking?
Str 10 (Strong core and legs but no real upper body strength so probably balance out to average)
Dex 12 (Trick skateboarding, downhill longboarding, juggling, slacklining are all things I am good at.)
Con 13 (Rarely get sick, have a mildly ridiculous pain threshold, can run 5 miles without much effort and skate extremely long distances (skated down the UK a while back))
Int 13 (Currently doing a masters in physics and hasn't been challenging so far.)
Wis 10 (I make bad decisions a lot but I can be pretty intuitive)
Cha 9 (I'm really not good with people.)
Strength 12; I used to love working out, specifically strength training and weight lifting and though I've not had the opportunity for some time, I'm still confident that I'm stronger than a good majority of the people I meet.
Dexterity 7; I can't remember the last day I went without tripping over my own feet. My reaction time is terrible, and don't throw anything at me and expect me to catch it. I can throw things with some force, but not at all accurately.
Constitution 9; I have numerous physical health concerns (notably an enlarged heart) and my endurance when running has room for improvement. This score would be lower, like Dexterity, but I can take quite a bit of physical pain and abuse before going down and my tolerance for alcohol and sickness is surprisingly high.
Intelligence 13; what I lack in Dexterity and Constitution I make up for with Intelligence. Though I was more or less forced to drop out of high school, I never stopped learning independently. I have quite the collection of facts and enjoy discussing history, literature, theology, and politics. I'm the kind of nerd who solves complex mathematics problems for fun.
Wisdom 8; I tend to zone out my surroundings when not particularly looking for something and have made far more than my fair share of hastey or just plan poor decisions. I hate to admit it, but I'm fairly easily fooled and I'm told I don't have the strongest grasp of right or wrong, nor a great deal of empathy. I'm fairly stubborn though, so I couldn't see this statistic much lower than 8.
Charisma 14; this is where I really shine. I'm a confident, natural leader and readily accept the responsibility. I'm generally clear, persausive, and well-spoken. I know how to mislead, intimidate, and placate. I can organize groups and make tough decisions with ease, and people often look to me for direction.
Depending on where I put my human bonus I range from a point buy of 0 to a point buy of 1. Outclassed by a commoner. Based on my life I'm probably a commoner 1/expert 1 with an eclectic assignment of skill points and feats. If I had to assign a PC class I would probably function best as a bard or sorcerer, but a socially-based rogue build would suit me better.
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Str 10 (Strong core and legs but no real upper body strength so probably balance out to average)
Dex 12 (Trick skateboarding, downhill longboarding, juggling, slacklining are all things I am good at.)
Con 13 (Rarely get sick, have a mildly ridiculous pain threshold, can run 5 miles without much effort and skate extremely long distances (skated down the UK a while back))
Int 13 (Currently doing a masters in physics and hasn't been challenging so far.)
Wis 10 (I make bad decisions a lot but I can be pretty intuitive)
Cha 9 (I'm really not good with people.)
If you aren't being challenged by a masters in physics you are definitely at least a 15 int.
An intelligence of 13 would be the smart guy out of a group of like 6 people. An int of 15 would be the smart guy out of a group of like 50 people. An int of 17 would be the smart guy out of a group of more like 1000 people.
Even a crap school (as far as those that offer master's degrees go) should challenge someone with 13 int at least a little.
An intelligence of 13 would be the smart guy out of a group of like 6 people. An int of 15 would be the smart guy out of a group of like 50 people. An int of 17 would be the smart guy out of a group of more like 1000 people.
I think this sort of benchmarking is much better than trying to convert an Int score to an IQ. IQ seems really iffy when it comes to applying bonuses to skills. My wife has about 30 points up on me in an IQ test, but I'm consistently better at anything involving math or language. She rakes me over the coals in general knowledge and biology.
Ill play along
str 10 average here
dex 12 i have good reflexes, but am slowed up due to my weight
con 20 i am a heavy set guy, but do not get sick, i can (and do) eat moldy rancid food and not feel any effects, I accidentally drank a half bottle of mr clean and only belched, accidentally mixed chlorine and ammonia together while cleaning, created mustard gas, and got high off the fumes that sent my fellow soldiers running for the windows, got punched in the face and broke the man's knuckles but nothing on me...you get the idea.
int 15 i can solve semi-complex to complex issues
wis 12 hard time retaining common sense experiences
cha 14 i make people laugh.
I think I have all 18's. Does that mean I'm a munchkin?
I think I have all 18's. Does that mean I'm a munchkin?
That or you're AWESOME! I wouldn't allow you in my campaign, though.
I generally consider each +2 to be 1 standard deviation above average, and am grading myself on that.
For me:
Str 13 Deadlif 300. Press 135. Clean&Jerk 185 - would be 14-15 Giving myself -2 because those are under optimal conditions and I don't consider myself strong at all
Dex: 12 good with controlled movements but not so much with twitchy ones. Decent aim, not particularly clumsy or graceful
Con 12 Not particularly healy, but better than many.
Int 17 Standardized testing puts me at least 3 Standard Deviations over average.
Wis 12 Not sure where this should be. I like to think I notice things.
Cha 9 I get looked over in a crowd and my point isn't always interpretted correctly, but I'm not socially inept.
Overall, 15 point buy.
I think I have all 18's. Does that mean I'm a munchkin?That or you're AWESOME! I wouldn't allow you in my campaign, though.
Nicely done, sir! So now I'll play the game.
STR: 12 - is this optimistic? Yeah, maybe, but it was true once upon a time (maybe even higher.)
DEX: 12 - I can totally throw a Frisbee and generally even hit the target.
CON: 14 - until I came into constant contact with the germ factories that we call children, I was a regular Iron Man. Zero sick-days in years. Now, I'm constantly having to make saves.
INT: 14 - I'm not the brightest bulb on the shelf... but I'm smarter than you.
WIS: 7 - I don't have the common sense that Gawd gave a rock. Seriously.
CHA: 7 - did I mention the whole rude thing? Sure I can be charming, when I want something! Now bring me turkey pot pie! Anyone even mentions autistic savant, I will find you.
According to This site My stats are
NG Wizard
Str.8
Dex.13
Con.9
Int.17
Wis.13
Cha.11
I'd have switched the int and the dex, but *shrug*
We tried this once irl with a group of friends,
was the worst idea ever.....
Try it! take your friends and first figure out who has the highest score in each ability.
when you get to int and wis the big brawl will start.
As I recall everyone said they were the smartest except "beaker" who only played fighters anyway! He knew he was last! ;)
We found a way to make it work pretty well.
Instead of ranking a person's attributes individually based on merit, you rank them in order against that same person's other attributes from 1-6. For example:
Me
Strength: 3 (Third best)
Dex: 4 (Fourth best)
Con: 5 (Fifth best)
Wis: 6 (Worst)
Int: 2 (Second best)
Chr: 1 (my best)
One player at a time, everyone orders that player's attributes in secret on slips of paper. When finished you just count up all the votes and assign an arbitrary spread of scores to the attributes in the order the votes direct. Our arbitrary spread of scores was: 18,16,14,12,10,8 So, in my case, my scores ended up as...
Strength: 14
Dex: 12
Con: 10
Wis: 8
Int: 16
Chr: 18
It's a pretty drama free way to get a fairly accurate representation of what each player's strengths and weaknesses would be in a fantasy world.
Is it wrong that I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have a 14 Intelligence (or even higher), but can't punctuate or capitalize properly, or uses the wrong form of the word "to" (or "too")?
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Is it wrong that I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have a 14 Intelligence (or even higher), but can't punctuate or capitalize properly, or uses the wrong form of the word "to" (or "too")?
That depends on how closely you relate the Intelligence attribute to education.
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I read through the first page and decided I would do this for all those folks giving themselves low Con. I'm going to Give you two sets of stats. One is eight years ago when I was told by my Dr. I had at most 5 years to live.
Str: 10 I've always been naturally strong, but my medical conditions sapped me. (maybe this should be considered str drain?)
Dex: 5 I was so large at this point (450 lbs.) that I could barely bend over, my legs hurt all the time and I bumped into everything, knocked things over and generally didn't pick anything up if I dropped it, because that was too hard.
Con: 6 I was dying. lol. Black mold infection in one lung had eaten away almost half of it's surface area, Diabetic (type 1), heart disease, and was being tested for cancer every Dr. visit because he couldn't believe I didn't have it yet!
Int: 16 I base this on the idea that IQ/10 = int, if this is the case, then I have an IQ of 163, so 16.
Wis: 12 I low balled this one because at the time I would have called myself wise, and many of my friends did, but I know now that I wasn't
Cha: 8 I hated the world and didn't care who knew it.
Now, 8 years later, I'm a new man. I'm alive and well and these are the stats I and my GF (yes I asked her to stat me out too just to make sure I was being a accurate +1 wis. lol)
Str: 16 (GF says 17 or 18) I can lift 230 over my head with a little effort. My backpack fully packed out is 70 lbs and I can hike with that for 10+ hours. I work out quite a bit.
Dex: 12 I am graceful now. I've also learned slight of hand, and GF says I have the Stealthy feat and maybe some racial modifier to stealth. I sneak up on cats.
Con: 16 I regrew a fricking lung. I now rarely get sick and when I do, it's lung related, so Lungs were weakened. as mentioned above I hike, I work out, etc. I also eat my veggies! lol. 275 lbs. BMI 20
Int: 16 Same as above, i'd point out I used this Int to research how to fix myself when the Dr. sent me home to die.
Wis: 17 This one was tough. I wanted to say 15, GF wants to say 20, so I averaged the two. people never sneak up on me, and I always know things before they happen and in the manager meetings at work I'm the guy they always look to to bring it home and cut the crap. I've been to seminary and most of my friends and co-workers call me "guru." I went low for myself because I know the willpower battles I fight and sometimes loose. She went so high, because she is usually around when I talk with and counsel others in my spiritual community.
Cha: 11 I went this high because people seem to always come and tell me their problems and/or want to chat. People remember me everywhere I go. of the things listed I would say I have "personal magnetism," otherwise, my appearance is average, I do not like to lead, and I'm generally quiet and hide in the corners of rooms. Introvert doesn't begin to cover it.
So, all you folks who feel bad about your health take note! You can heal and you can get in shape if you want to. If you don't that's cool too!
So, what am I?
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Is it wrong that I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have a 14 Intelligence (or even higher), but can't punctuate or capitalize properly, or uses the wrong form of the word "to" (or "too")?
Well, I can't spell worth a hoot and my punctuation is horrible. But I have a 163 IQ. English sucks as a language, but I'm used to dealing with math all day so I'm biased. Hebrew and Sanskrit are far more logical in structure. Heck I'd take Latin over English. At least English prime is an attempt at logical constancy, but no one I know wants to use it. lol
okay here goes,
str not sure, as I have lift off groud (dead-lift)of 400 lbs =15str , 180lb clean and jerk which is less than the 200 overhead for the 15 so Id say high 14 str
dex 11 slightly above average but nothing special.
con 12-13 I rarely get sick, winded easily though but can take a hellacious beating.
int my Iq was tested at 117 in 7th grade so Im guessing about 11 or 12 int, with effort I could learn another language.
wis I read people very well most of the time, but am prone to poor decision making, usually quite aware of my surroundings so maybe a 12?
cha well either you love me or hate me. I'll say the latter is more common and go 9.
Eben human male fighter1
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According to This site My stats are
NG Wizard
Str.8
Dex.13
Con.9
Int.17
Wis.13
Cha.11I'd have switched the int and the dex, but *shrug*
BAH! That site is obviously created by Taldorians, because my stats came in as:
Lawful Neutral Elf Monk (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 9
Dexterity- 13
Constitution- 9
Intelligence- 12
Wisdom- 11
Charisma- 13
What in the name of Sweet, Almighty Asmodeus is that? Those stats are suboptimal, and my supposed race is unforgivable! I'm an epic level Chelaxian fiendish dwarf librarian, not a bloody elven monk!
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According to This site My stats are
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Neutral Good Human Druid (6th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 15
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 14
Intelligence- 17
Wisdom- 16
Charisma- 14
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ok I'll play
Str 13... former career as a firefighter, amateur MMA, and P90X a couple times over
Dex 14... not the most flexible but yoga and good hand eye coordination helps
Con 12... I run and rarely get sick, though I do have seasonal allergies
Int 13... IQ score of 137
Wis 14... I am a skilled outdoorsy person and EMT
Cha 10... just another face in the crowd
what am I?
ok so just a little fun social experiment. I stated myself out using the core rpg. using these stats what would you make me out to be.
I am 5'8 220lbs broad chested and have a short red beard.
Str: 15
This is based on carrying canoes in the boundary waters, MN about 126 lbs over my head would def slow me down.
Dex: 10
There was once a time when this was much higher, but now adays I tend to take hits, but keep going.
Con: 14
This goes back to my previous statement, i kind of take the personal slogan never give up to heart, however i do have diabetes soo yeah.However I never miss a day of work b/c of ailment so...
Int: 16
I speak 3 languages so I gave myself the stat that gives me 3 bonus language slots
Wis: 14
My wife says i am not very perceptive, but my job depends on me being wise about my choices so I did my best
Cha: 18
I work with kids and can control about 90 at a time so i figured they 1/3 cr so... i gave myself this scoreSo Str 15, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 18
Using those stats what would you build? CRB, APG, UM, UC
Str 10-11: I'm not weak, but I'm not that strong either.
Dex 12-14: I've got a pretty decent sense of balance, hand-eye coordination, and I studied dance (ballet, tap, jazz, and clogging).Con 11-13: I'm pretty tough, but I don't like pain. I can trudge through stuff longer than some.
Int 15-16: Intelligence is my thing. I'm sure to have invested lots of skill points into useless things, but logic and reasoning are my forte, and I love learning, reading, and thinking in the abstract.
Wis 7-9: I'm not very perceptive. I'd say it shows, but I'd have to be able to notice it. Perception, Sense Motive, and similar all suffer.
Cha 7-9: While I can be empathic, I find others alien to me most of the time. I'm hard to insult, and I have difficult times relating to others, or understanding their mindset; which sometimes leaves me as bewildered when dealing with people as I would be trying to discuss evolution with my cat. I blame skill points for any positive effects of Diplomacy, Bluff, and Perform, as well as my more recent awareness of appearances (suggesting a slight increase in Perception).
Feat Choices: Two-Weapon Fighting, Wild Talent
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From the test linked by CR20 Seagull:
Chaotic Neutral Human Wizard/Sorcerer (2nd/1st Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 13
Dexterity- 16
Constitution- 16
Intelligence- 17
Wisdom- 13
Charisma- 14
If you assume that this is the "heroic" version of me and reduce each by two, that's not a bad estimate (though still slightly high probably).
Strenght: probably at about 11-12, I'm 6'2" with a reasonably bulky build, but never been one for push ups, or pull ups.
ranks in swim and climb though.
dexterity: 11-12, I haven't really fallen down (near misses don't count), even when casually walking on ice or leaning my chair at precocious angles, for several years. my reaction speeds while not amazing, are pretty reasonable. my aim is mostly true. assume ranks in balance and stealth
constitution: I'm kinda unsure, maybe 12-13. I've no allergies, don't smoke, able to run for about four minutes at fair speed. able to run a 5k, but a wreck for a week afterwards. able to take large amounts of physical punishment, but a single aspirin basically sends me into a coma
intelligence: I'd say conservatively 13. I speak two additional languages fluently, my native tongue's neighboring languages don't count, although I understand and can communicate in them and the latin language family. assume more then one skill ranks in linguistics. I am not by any means the smartest guy in my circle of friends, but I'm generally smarter than a great portion of the people I interact with on a daily basis.
rank in profession: Pilot (and i guess by extension rank in fly too)
wisdom: I'd say about 11, in the common range, but often insightful. easily distracted. skill ranks in perception.
charisma: 9. positive modifiers in intimidate, bluff, diplomacy, and at least three ranks in perform. not really memorable though, and my social abilities comes from training rather then natural ability.
probably a 2-3rd lvl rogue.
seeing as I've skill to spare, and several ranks in some of them