Tieflings, Fiendish Heritage, and Oversized Limbs


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One of the choices from fiendish heritage is as follows:

"You have oversized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty."

Does this mean only minus the -2 per size penalty, or does it mean I can use a large two-handed as a two-handed?

Frog God Games

My immediate assumption was that you can use Large weapons as if you were a Large creature.


That's what I'm hoping. Tiefling Qlippoth-Spawn Sohei with a 3d8 huge bastard sword. But it seems unreal.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

For using a lrage two-handed wepaon you would get -2, wouldnt you?
With this trait you don´t get it i guess.


normally can't use a large two-handed weapon. you CAN use a large one-handed as a two-handed with a -2 penalty.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

It doesn´t say something about two-handed or not, but if the rules normally say you can´t you probably still can´t.
Since it talks about a penalty it probably only means this penalty is lifted.
Go for a bastard sword.


or a lance...

Frog God Games

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Squawk Featherbeak wrote:
That's what I'm hoping. Tiefling Qlippoth-Spawn Sohei with a 3d8 huge bastard sword. But it seems unreal.

So does a 6-foot-tall, 150-pound guy with Hulk arms.


Though Hayato's version does seem more RAW and RAI...


Yeah sadly just like the Titan Mauler this doesn't let you break the Weapon size rules just lets you avoid penalty for bigger ones.


I guess this is the same deal for the goblin feat in the ARG called the big guns? Penalty gone but can't actually use a medium musket?

Grand Lodge

The Over-sized limbs ability only removes penalties.

That's it.

It does not change the hands required to wield weapons.

This means you can wield Large One-handed weapons without penalty.

You cannot wield Large two-handed weapons.

I suggest the Falcata.


Thanks but not what I was asking. I agree with you though. :) What I am a bit unsure on is the big guns feat for goblins in the ARG. I'm assuming it means one can use a medium sized one handed gun two handed(being small sized) with no penalties and not say a medium musket.


I just realized you were not answering my question but the OPs question. Oops!

Silver Crusade

Squawk - if you went Weapon Master(Bastard Sword) 3/Shohei 6 - you could use a Large Bastard Sword without penalty, with FoB and Ki Strike.

Silver Crusade

Lemartes - correct, you ignore the size penalty on medium weapons, but still have to pay attention to the handedness, so no Muskets...this feat suddenly feels very underpowered, as a Pistol changing to a 2h weapon means you don't have a free hand to reload...

Paizo Employee Design Manager

Booksy wrote:
Lemartes - correct, you ignore the size penalty on medium weapons, but still have to pay attention to the handedness, so no Muskets...this feat suddenly feels very underpowered, as a Pistol changing to a 2h weapon means you don't have a free hand to reload...

I think part of the problem with the Goblin Gunlinger feat was that it was designed before the clarification came out about Firearm Handedness. There was a note in UC that Firearms don't change handedness because of size, but then the clarification was that that only actually goes one way (Larger creatures can't use smaller two-handed firearms one-handed). I think originally there was some intent for ridiculous little goblins to tote around human-sized blunderbusses, though this doesn't actually work under the current rule-set.

As to the Oversized Limbs property, all it does is remove the penalty for wielding Inappropriately Sized weapons. It doesn't do anything to change the general rule that a weapon has to fall within the appropriate handedness to be wielded. A tiefling with Oversized limbs could wield a large-size bastard without penalty, but could still not use a large-sized greatword.


Thanks! :)

Grand Lodge

There it goes again. Bastard Sword boners.

Why?

Paizo Employee Design Manager

blackbloodtroll wrote:

There it goes again. Bastard Sword boners.

Why?

It just comes up because it is the best known and one of the largest weapons the average character can wield in large size. The other good one, the falcata, isn't in the Core Book, so fewer people are familiar with it. It just provides a good frame of reference for the "Can wield this / can't wield this" comparisons.


Wait... in what book IS fiendish heritage?

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