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That is correct.
Your players get 1 pp for completing the Pathfinder mission.
Season 0 scenario they must complete the faction mission for the 2nd pp.
Season 1-3 scenario: Complete one of the two faction missions for 1 pp or complete both in place of a failed main mission for 2 pp.
You cannot get more than 2 pp in a regular scenario.
Sanctioned modules your players get 4 pp free to reflect the amount of time committed to complete the mission, without any faction missions assigned.
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Actually, Michael, for Seasons one and two, you have to complete both faction missions to get two Fame, regardless of what happens with the main mission. You choose one faction mission as the actual faction mission and the other faction mission is treated as the main goal for earning the Fame points.
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Eric, it's not an even split. Back to Scenario #5, Black Waters, some Season 0 scenarios offered 2 Fame. During the latter half of Season 0, all of them did.
The problem is that the Guide sounds like it changes the rules for Season 1 and 2 scenarios, but it doesn't. The only thing that has changed is that scenarios which only offer 1 Fame as written, now offer a second point of Fame as well, for completing the mission.
The problem is that the Guide sounds like it changes the rules for Season 1 and 2 scenarios, but it doesn't.
I agree; the way it's worded (in terms of "one faction mission is considered to be the main mission completion") is potentially confusing.
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Eric, it's not an even split. Back to Scenario #5, Black Waters, some Season 0 scenarios offered 2 Fame. During the latter half of Season 0, all of them did.
The problem is that the Guide sounds like it changes the rules for Season 1 and 2 scenarios, but it doesn't. The only thing that has changed is that scenarios which only offer 1 Fame as written, now offer a second point of Fame as well, for completing the mission.
So what you are saying is that if a character playing through a season 0-2 scenario that has two faction missions will get 1 Fame from completing the overall mission objective of the scenario, and another 1 Fame for completing BOTH faction missions. Correct?
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Basically, if it has 2 faction missions, then you get 1 fame for each one you complete. One of the faction missions is considered the "mission objective" for that scenario, so it's quite possible to have 5 different overall mission objectives at the same table if you have a wide variety of factions present.
If a scenario has 1 faction mission, then you get 1 fame for completing it, and 1 fame for completing the overall mission objective (as determined by the GM if it's not a season 3 or later and specified).
This way all scenarios have an opportunity for 2 total fame.
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So what you are saying is that if a character playing through a season 0-2 scenario that has two faction missions will get 1 Fame from completing the overall mission objective of the scenario, and another 1 Fame for completing BOTH faction missions. Correct?
Nope.
Let's say you're a member of the Taldan faction, and you're playing through a Season 2 scenario.
Venture Captain Juberto Savarre says "Find the Fish Tank of Targos Min-Katheer"
Baron Jacquo says "Hide this half-eaten cookie on a guard."
Baron Jacquo also says "Say 'hi' to my mum."
How it Used to Be
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother.
How it is Now
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie, which is now considered the actual Pathfinder Society mission.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother, which is now considered the faction mission.
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Is this retroactive?
Are season 0 scenarios that only allowed 1 prestige before now to be made as if you had earned 2?
This new rule took effect from Aug 2011 (release date of the v4.0 Guide). See this official response from Mark confirming that chronicle sheets only awarding 1 prestige point should not be altered retrospectively.
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A few more questions to make sure Im understanding this perfectly clearly (Ive got some players that are going to twist and turn any possible word to where it could be misconstrued to the point of me wanting to tell them to go find the answer for themselves. :P):
1) Do they need to pick at the beginning of the scenario which faction mission will be the 'faction mission' and which one is the 'overall mission? Or is it just the first one listed is the Society mission and the second is the Faction mission?
2) Once they complete both of the faction missions listed on their handout, and have gone through 3 encounters, they could leave the table early, without completing the scenario, and the only penalty (other than my scorn) would be loss of gold/ equipment access/ possible boon from stuff that takes place/ is found after they leave? 2 Fame and 1 EXP intact?
Really, Im just wanting to know that if a scenario has 2 faction missions and they only manage to complete one of them and complete the overall Society mission for the scenario, do they get 1 Fame or 2 Fame?
Thanks agin, lol.
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From my reading of it:
1) Doesn't matter order, 1 is faction the other is overall. Finish 1 you get 1 Fame, finish both you get 2.
2) Unfortunately, this is still a possibility with the scenarios with 2 faction missions. It used to be a possibility with any scenario really. They would only really lose the extra stuff found after that point in the scenario.
However, if the same player does this repeatedly, I'd think that'd fall under the don't be a jerk rule. You're leaving the rest of your Society members to go hang, just because you can't be bothered to participate any more. If nothing else, players remember, and I'd be surprised if the person to leave early keeps many friends in groups, and may fail later missions due to lack of any help...
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1) Do they need to pick at the beginning of the scenario which faction mission will be the 'faction mission' and which one is the 'overall mission? Or is it just the first one listed is the Society mission and the second is the Faction mission?
It makes no difference.
2) Once they complete both of the faction missions listed on their handout, and have gone through 3 encounters, they could leave the table early, without completing the scenario, and the only penalty (other than my scorn) would be loss of gold/ equipment access/ possible boon from stuff that takes place/ is found after they leave? 2 Fame and 1 EXP intact?
Yes, but that was also the situation throughout earlier seasons too, and I'm not aware of it ever being a problem.
Really, Im just wanting to know that if a scenario has 2 faction missions and they only manage to complete one of them and complete the overall Society mission for the scenario, do they get 1 Fame or 2 Fame?
1 Fame.
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One thing to note: Losing that gold is going to hurt them if they keep leaving before the Pathfinder mission is complete. Doesn't matter how much access you have, if you don't have the money to be able to afford buying something.
"Hey, look! I have enough Fame to be allowed to purchase a +2 weapon! ... How come I only have 1200 gold?"
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Let's say you're a member of the Taldan faction, and you're playing through a Season 2 scenario.
Venture Captain Juberto Savarre says "Find the Fish Tank of Targos Min-Katheer"
Baron Jacquo says "Hide this half-eaten cookie on a guard."
Baron Jacquo also says "Say 'hi' to my mum."How it Used to Be
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother.How it is Now
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie, which is now considered the actual Pathfinder Society mission.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother, which is now considered the faction mission.
I thought it was:
1 fame for completing the public pathfinder mission1 fame for hiding the cookie AND saying Hi to the Baron's mother.
Is that not right?
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Let's say you're a member of the Taldan faction, and you're playing through a Season 2 scenario.
Venture Captain Juberto Savarre says "Find the Fish Tank of Targos Min-Katheer"
Baron Jacquo says "Hide this half-eaten cookie on a guard."
Baron Jacquo also says "Say 'hi' to my mum."How it Used to Be
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother.How it is Now
You get 1 Fame for hiding the cookie, which is now considered the actual Pathfinder Society mission.
You get 1 Fame for saying 'Hi' to the Baron's mother, which is now considered the faction mission.
I thought it was:
1 fame for completing the public pathfinder mission
1 fame for hiding the cookie AND saying Hi to the Baron's mother.Is that not right?
Nope.
If the scenario offers two faction missions per faction, you ignore the prestige point from completing the actual pathfinder society mission, and use the prestige points earned for the two faction missions as in previous seasons.
For scenarios with only one mission per faction, a second prestige point can now be earned by completing the pathfinder society mission goal.
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Ok, so who picks which mission gives no prestige and which one gives 1? And when do they pick?
Example:
I complete the Pathfinder public mission, and I hide the cookie, but I don't say 'Hi' to the baron's mother.
So, can the player say that the incomplete mission will give 1 PA anyway, in honor of the public pathfinder mission?
Can the GM say that the cookie mission gave 1 PA for the public mission, and the 'Hi' mission was the one that would have given PA for the faction?
When do they decide? Before or after it's clear which missions are complete?
deusvult, it does not really matter, because in any scenario with two faction missions, if you do not complete both missions, you do not get two Prestige. And if you do not complete either mission, even if you complete the scenario, you get no Prestige.
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I'm not trying to annoy you. But it does matter.
If me or one of my players at a table completes the public mission, but does not complete both faction missions, the difference between 2 pa and 1 pa is on the line. And that's rightly a big deal to the player in question.
yes, I've seen that question answered higher in the thread. However, that person is someone I don't know, and for all I know has no more authority to speak on the answer than I do myself. So I'm simply curious, is all.
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I'm not trying to annoy you. But it does matter.
If me or one of my players at a table completes the public mission, but does not complete both faction missions, the difference between 2 pa and 1 pa is on the line. And that's rightly a big deal to the player in question.
yes, I've seen that question answered higher in the thread. However, that person is someone I don't know, and for all I know has no more authority to speak on the answer than I do myself. So I'm simply curious, is all.
No, actually the difference is between 2 or 0. Re-read what's been written slowly. You're missing the point.
In scenarios where there are 2 faction missions, each you complete gives you one PP. Completing the main (public) gives you no PP.
In scenarios with one faction mission, completing the faction mission gives you 1 pp, while completing the main (public) gives you 1.
(Yeah, its confusing, they really worded it screwy in the Guide. But that's the way it works.)
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The guide really confuses a lot of people by calling one of the faction missions the main objective.
Here's the (hopefully) less confusion summary/Flow Chart:
Does the scenario have 2 faction missions?
Yes: Each mission is worth 1 PA
No: The faction mission is worth 1 PA, and the main Pathfinder objective is worth 1PA.
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I've seen that question answered higher in the thread. However, that person is someone I don't know, and for all I know has no more authority to speak on the answer than I do myself. So I'm simply curious, is all.
If nothing short of an official answer will do, you should note that with an "FAQ" flag.
In any case, I'm not sure what authority an answer needs. The Guide's language is opaque, but once you read carefully, the directions aren't ambiguous.
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The guide really confuses a lot of people by calling one of the faction missions the main objective.
Here's the (hopefully) less confusion summary/Flow Chart:
Does the scenario have 2 faction missions?
Yes: Each mission is worth 1 PANo: The faction mission is worth 1 PA, and the main Pathfinder objective is worth 1PA.
+1. This is how I've understood it to work.
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I will stick this small question here.
I would like to point out maybe small issue. As it happens my players played Our Lady of Silver and made it through first 3 encounters. What happened is that 1 player received 2 PP, while others received 1 only. So how can 1 person accomplish his pathfinder society mission while other 2 cannot? Isn't it supposed to be team mission?
I am just curious.
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I will stick this small question here.
I would like to point out maybe small issue. As it happens my players played Our Lady of Silver and made it through first 3 encounters. What happened is that 1 player received 2 PP, while others received 1 only. So how can 1 person accomplish his pathfinder society mission while other 2 cannot? Isn't it supposed to be team mission?
I am just curious.
Remember that, depending on the season and specific scenario, there are going to be two PP available to all players.
One PP, for most scenarios, is going to be available for completing the mission successfully (note that some scenarios won't offer this PP because each faction will have two faction missions)
One PP, sometimes two, will available for completing faction specific missions.
If you play a scenario where each faction offers two missions, it will be possible to fail the overall mission, but still get two PP for completing both faction missions.
It can also be possible, even in scenarios where the overall mission gives a PP, for some people to receive one PP, having failed or missed their faction mission, while others, having found and completed their faction mission, to receive two PP.
Sometimes, given the way things go, it may be possible to receive no PP, even if you managed to complete the Pathfinder mission.
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Problem is that, other PCs didn't get a chance to finish their 2nd mission. Only 1 PC did. They didn't manage to finish the scenario.
In earlier seasons, Prestige came entirely from your faction. In terms of prestige, it didn't matter if the Pathfinder Society's main mission was failed, as long as your faction got what they wanted. That was later remedied by having one faction mission per character, and the other PP coming from completion of the whole "team" mission.
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Problem is that, other PCs didn't get a chance to finish their 2nd mission. Only 1 PC did. They didn't manage to finish the scenario.
Sometimes, that happens.
It also depends on why they didn't complete the scenario.
Run out of time? Maybe they can schedule a make-up session to complete it.
TPK? PP/Fame might not rank high on the players' minds, in that case.
Miss a clue/connection/NPC? If they missed the link that lead them on to the next encounter/end of the scenario, too bad, so sad.
I have played a fairly high-level scenario where no one got anything for the scenario but an XP. No PP, no GP. TPKs suck.
I have seen sessions where the party missed out on a substantial amount of the treasure, they weren't prepared to deal with the BBEG, and had to run away, leaving the value of his equipmnent behind. And almost getting TPKed, as well.
I have both played & GMed scenarios where different people have gotten different amounts of PP, although people form the same faction should be getting the same amount of PP as each other.
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There is no problem really. It seems a bit unfair, that's all.
It happens. I've been in scenarios where my character only got 1 PP because I couldn't make a roll, or I missed something that would have even allowed me to roll.
There's not really much point to the PA/Fame system if everyone gets 2 PA and Fame in every scenario they play.
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It seemed unfair, not because of the prestige policy but because 1 player had faction missions placed sooner in the scenario which he finished (both of them) while other character had almost all missions at the end of scenario (didn't finish any). Player literally didn't get a chance for either of them while other player did due to time constrains.
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It happens. I've been in scenarios where my character only got 1 PP because I couldn't make a roll, or I missed something that would have even allowed me to roll.
There's not really much point to the PA/Fame system if everyone gets 2 PA and Fame in every scenario they play.
Johnathan, with the release of the Field Guide and the PFS Guide 4.0 at the beginning of season 3 ... the term Prestige Award (PA) was replaced with the term: Fame. And the term Prestige Award (PA) changed into a benefit you "bought" with Prestige Points (PP) such as a title or military rank.
Please use PP (not PA) to indicate actual points you earn/spend.