Maybe I overlooked it, but did anyone also mention that the onlder you get the better whore you are (age categories improve WIS and give additional skill points via INT upgrades in case you sloggedin your studies while younger)? My my... profession (prostitute) hopefully involves operating your own establishment in later creer...
Ever see the movie Yes-Man?
Maybe I overlooked it, but did anyone also mention that the onlder you get the better whore you are (age categories improve WIS and give additional skill points via INT upgrades in case you sloggedin your studies while younger)? My my... profession (prostitute) hopefully involves operating your own establishment in later creer...Ever see the movie Yes-Man?
Ummm... no. Not my cup of popcorn.
Hmm... Y'know, I've always been curious where this "commoners get 10cp a day" thing came from. I'm assuming the old DMG, but... Yeah. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Also let's not forget they're employed by a brothel, and thus are provided with a bed and revealing clothes... That's got to be worth some kind of circumstance modifier. Especially in the classier joints.
So taking 10, a 1st level working girl is looking at... say... a check of 20 with skill focus, +2 for a mwk. tools and a +1 for wis. That's a paltry 5gp a week... I wonder if Calistrian prostitutes have it better?
1 sp is what it costs to hire untrained labor.
Coach cab 3 cp per mile
Hireling, trained 3 sp per day
Hireling, untrained 1 sp per day
Messenger 2 cp per mile
Road or gate toll 1 cp
Ship's passage 1 sp per mile
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
1 sp is what it costs to hire untrained labor.
Coach cab 3 cp per mile
Hireling, trained 3 sp per day
Hireling, untrained 1 sp per day
Messenger 2 cp per mile
Road or gate toll 1 cp
Ship's passage 1 sp per milehttp://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
... do... Do prostitutes get trained?
I mean... do you take a class... or?
1 sp is what it costs to hire untrained labor.
Coach cab 3 cp per mile
Hireling, trained 3 sp per day
Hireling, untrained 1 sp per day
Messenger 2 cp per mile
Road or gate toll 1 cp
Ship's passage 1 sp per milehttp://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
... do... Do prostitutes get trained?
I mean... do you take a class... or?
It's kind of a hands on learning process.
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I always kinda assumed that Bluff would handle the seduction part.
Maybe I overlooked it, but did anyone also mention that the older you get the better whore you are (age categories improve WIS and give additional skill points via INT upgrades in case you sloggedin your studies while younger)? My my... profession (prostitute) hopefully involves operating your own establishment in later creer...The age granted improvements to ability scores are a bad rule in every way. Thankfully, they are easy to remove.
Well it's not so insane, to portrait life experience and all that. However the problem with that is that too many skills are tied to them, that simply wouldn't get better just with age.
Probably would have been better to give fixed skill bonus and penalties with age instead of ability.
But thats a different topic
While Courtesan can certainly be a profession choice fraught with "role-playing opportunities", I've always been a bit more curious about the profession list in the Hero Labs character generator, which includes...Profession: Torturer?
Actually, the "better with age" thing is quite true. Remember, this is a SKILL... believe it or not, such "skills" improve with practice, age, and the ability to notice subtleties in a partner. If someone's "been around" for a long time, they'd pick up alot of useful moves.
Also... regarding age and stats: again, CHA and attractiveness are disjoint.
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While Courtesan can certainly be a profession choice fraught with "role-playing opportunities", I've always been a bit more curious about the profession list in the Hero Labs character generator, which includes...Profession: Torturer?
Well that one actually makes sense. Learning how to inflict maxim pain while keeping the subject conscious and to avoid accidentally killing them. So you could torture them for as long as needed. I mean dominatrix is a profession and learned skills. :)
You missed males, and asexual beings too.Quirks in the system are always fixed by feats.
Working Gal
Prereq: Charisma 12
Benefit: You may add you charisma, as well as your wisdom, to your profession (prostitute) skill checks.
Normal: You only add your wisdom.
Working Stiff?
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Working Stiff?You missed males, and asexual beings too.Quirks in the system are always fixed by feats.
Working Gal
Prereq: Charisma 12
Benefit: You may add you charisma, as well as your wisdom, to your profession (prostitute) skill checks.
Normal: You only add your wisdom.
To quote Kaylee Frye
Look, they got boy whores. Isn't that thoughtful?
Ok first off let me say to Ashiel. I've read your posts on other boards and this is not the stuff that I would have thought you would concern yourself with, but whatever floats your boat.
Now that that is out of the way. Lemme say that it is an interesting concept to think that Wisdom rather than Charisma would be the score of choice for... this sort of check. But if you really stop to consider the implications it begins to make more sense. What does Charisma really do in the game? Well skill wise a few things pop up right to start with. The first skills being bluff, diplomacy, gather information, and intimidate. These skills all deal specifically with changing someone else's point of view.
That doesn't really sound like something in itself that would make a whore better at her job, at least not directly. I could argue that in correlation it would work with the profession skill, but not alone.
Now Wisdom brings to mind sense motive, profession, survival, spot, and listen. Now for arguments sake lets leave spot and listen out of the conversation, while minor points might be made for each they don't really pertain to this discussion at all. Moving on we can look at survival, while not a skill for a whore it begins to give an idea of what the wisdom ability score does in a practical sense.
Survival is the ability to know through experience how to take care of yourself, and potentially other people while in hostile environments. The key word in this is through experience. But not only having experienced it, but being able to call up the experiences to preform a task. This makes perfect sense in the context presented. Not only have you been able to please the opposite sex/same sex/no sex/different species/different form of life/no signs of life, thought these last few are a bit difficult to imagine.
Moving on sense motive and profession. Well with a profession like prostitution, I'm using a word I understand fully so I hope no one minds, it should be easy to see how sensing your partners feelings would come in handy. Even if they didn't say what they liked, for instance, without them having to say a word. I don't think that this needs going over anymore, it's straight forward sense motive is good at sensing what isn't said.
Now lets see here. Profession. Well again straight forward. On the job training has made you good at what you do. Someone just starting out might use Charisma to get someone's attention on the street, but how well they are or aren't satisfied is directly equivalent to how well the person can perform the task. Quite simply it doesn't matter how awesome your car looks if you can't drive it.
Just something to think about. Again weird topic.
Ok first off let me say to Ashiel. I've read your posts on other boards and this is not the stuff that I would have thought you would concern yourself with, but whatever floats your boat.
I'm always down for some tongue-in-cheek humor. And of course, I'm a firm believer that the mechanics shape the world; so it's somewhat natural I suppose to discuss mundane topics such as these. ^-^
It's a nice break from the hassle of debating with people who cannot understand simple logical fallacies, and cannot follow the logical trail from A, B, to C without stopping and trying to stuff some numbers and a painting by Picasso in between B and C somewhere. :P
That's right: statistically speaking, most high-quality whores are going to be dwarves.Not in my games they're not. That +2 Wis isn't going to override the -2 Cha.
Gnomes, on the other hand, have +2 Cha and Con. They're cute, chatty, and they keep going and going and going...
Well there's enough rule 34 to prove that at least somebody likes gnomes. >.>
Well there's enough rule 34 to prove that at least somebody likes gnomes. >.>Who doesn't? You can punt them out of the room when you're done.
*snicker*
On a side note, the gnomish pickup lines in World of Warcraft are by far the funniest and most awesome pickup lines of all the races. :P
That's right: statistically speaking, most high-quality whores are going to be dwarves.With the beards and the biceps, they can also double their customer base by servicing both genders.
This would probably make me reach for brain-bleach if it weren't for the fact one of my PCs is the bastard daughter of a female smith and a female sorceress with alter self. The shock value of virtually every contrived notion of fantasy lurv-squick is pretty much nullified at this point.
Hmm aasimir get both a wis and cha bonus. Hmm all aasimir brothel sounds interesting thing to put in a town that it is said to cure sadness and depression.
Grippli also get a wis bonus...
Why did I go there?
Dwarf courtesan? Where have I heard this before...
Ahhh!I can't believe it has already been that long since that book was released...
"...Marla quickly learns to navigate the waters of Hythrun politics with the help of dwarf courtesan, Elezaar—a man with mysterious ambitions of his own."
I should read that again.
As if a male model was intimidating to anyone.
I don't know...Zoolander is pretty frightening.
As if a Kraken (CHA 21) or Balor (CHA 27) were foxy.
Balor? No... Pit Fiend? Sign me up! But if the internet has taught me anything it is that the Kraken would have quite the list of clients, but I think that has little to do with its CHA.
Hmm aasimir get both a wis and cha bonus. Hmm all aasimir brothel sounds interesting thing to put in a town that it is said to cure sadness and depression.
Grippli also get a wis bonus...
Why did I go there?
Oreads also get a Wisdom bonus. A whole new meaning to hard as a rock...
Well there's enough rule 34 to prove that at least somebody likes gnomes. >.>Who doesn't? You can punt them out of the room when you're done.*snicker*
On a side note, the gnomish pickup lines in World of Warcraft are by far the funniest and most awesome pickup lines of all the races. :P
I was always pretty partial to the Dwarven ones myself. Just for the sheer seediness factor alone.
-sly voice- "y'd like te run yer hands through my beard, wouldnt'che?"
Though... I was always a bit of a sucker for beard humour...
Hmm aasimir get both a wis and cha bonus. Hmm all aasimir brothel sounds interesting thing to put in a town that it is said to cure sadness and depression.
Well, "Angel" is already a stripper name. :P
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The Tarrasque has a 15 wis, 14 cha, and Swallow Whole (Ex). Getting it to wear the hooker boots and lipstick would be the difficult part.
Ooh mah goodness. Now I am picturing every monster with swallow whole looking like a meth addicted street walker.
Ooh mah goodness. Now I am picturing every monster with swallow whole looking like a meth addicted street walker.
The Tarrasque has a 15 wis, 14 cha, and Swallow Whole (Ex). Getting it to wear the hooker boots and lipstick would be the difficult part.
Hey now! don't rule out smack and crack.
On a more serious route, I have been thinking of a gunslinger gigolo. Pistolero seems the obvious choice, but I have been thinking musket master for wielding a two handed gun. Or would the Holy Gun Paladin make a better gigolo w/ the immunity to disease?
Greg
Sorry, but no. Skills in Pathfinder improve with skill ranks which are a part of leveling which comes from experience. Age =/= experience in Pathfinder.Actually, the "better with age" thing is quite true. Remember, this is a SKILL... believe it or not, such "skills" improve with practice, age, and the ability to notice subtleties in a partner. If someone's "been around" for a long time, they'd pick up alot of useful moves.
Also... regarding age and stats: again, CHA and attractiveness are disjoint.
I was referring to THIS; old people get charisma bonuses by becoming old. Since when were ancient crones prettier than when they were younger? Yet again, CHA and good-looks are disjoint.
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All animals have a +2 Wisdom modifier. I'm pretty sure that combined with the awaken spell is plenty fuel for some odd fetishes. As noted by another poster earlier, an awakened squid or octopus would be high octane fetish fuel, and probably very popular in the lands of the Ogre Magi and Samurai.
I can't help but to imagine what qualifies as masterwork tools for this profession either, but I'd be curious enough to at least take a cursory glance into the toolbox.
While not technically a matter of courtesan professionalism, kinks of all kinds are probably related. Thus it might be worth noting that a wizard, sorcerer, or witch can have relations with their familiar since they can cast alter self on their familiar to transform them into humanoids. I've had at least one NPC whose soulmate/lover was also their familiar (much to the party's surprise when the familiar's true form was discovered).
Animated objects have pretty crappy Wisdom and no skill points, but the general utility of having an animated tool is undeniable. This might be what is inside the toolbox I mentioned earlier.
Random Trivia: Gnolls make poor courtesans. Their wisdom doesn't stand out and their Charisma is pretty poor for scrounging up folks with Diplomacy and the like. Plus, there is only really one style they're proficient in, and it's not kitty style.
Azers are smokin' hot! Just make sure to use protection; and by protection of course I mean resist energy!
I personally have something of a fetish for mariliths. I dunno what it is. A really strong, sexy woman with six arms and a sensual serpentine tail? Not sure exactly which part of that combination clogs my cogs but it seems amazingly awesome. Probably the six arms since I'm also a fan of Spinerette...
If you have a bit of extra cash, a wizard can actually create any lover for you via simulacrum. Very useful spell, and exceptionally good for those lonely wizards who can't find anyone who they can have an intellectual conversation with. Simulacrum also probably qualifies for self-cest when used in this way, but who knows what you like better than yourself (or yourself as the opposite gender)?
Not for the faint of heart, but I believe Mammy Graul was familiar with how the undead don't tire out, no matter what sort of tasks you command your zombies to preform. Such things are probably left to the minds of the deranged or those who have fetishes for sparkly dead things.
Sirens on the other hand are naturally gifted in such things with a +8 Wisdom and +10 Charisma, but they tend to get attached easily, as some of then die of broken hearts when their chosen males leave. There's also a rather disturbing note that sirens possess the bodies of large predatory birds but have to mate with humanoid men. Err...maybe we should turn off the camera, or sell the video to Unnatural Geographic!
No matter how good their offer sounds, and their +2 Wisdom be darned, do not consider Xill when picking your escorts for the evening. Especially don't accept any drinks you didn't order yourself. If you have to ask why, just take a look at how Xill do their thing...
While not Pathfinder, mind flayers have the option of making excellent lovers. They have amazing Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma, come built in with tentacle fetish fuel, and probably want you for your mind more than your body.
Remember what they say in the nine yells. It's Erin-yes, not Erin-no.
Contrary to popular belief, invisible stalkers were around before the movie Hollow Man. However, Kevin Bacon probably is probably a 3rd level Bard, which means he probably doesn't need to do too much stalking (though I do believe Jack stalked him on Will & Grace, the irony).
One of the first things that they teach you in cleric school is how to use the spell Command responsibly. Yes you can force someone to do something with a 1 word command for 1 round, but some commands are probably not appropriate for public use.
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1 rank= street corner
4 ranks= high class call girl
8 ranks= Imperial court.
of course, this gets into the whole problem where you can't get more ranks without increasing in level, so that high class hooker with the fan has more hit points, fire power, and ass kicking ability than a 1st level fighter in full plate...
Damn right she does...
One of my gaming group's most memorable NPC encounters ever was with an elven prostitute with the Flurry of Blows feat.
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Well courtesan to me implies something more than just a person that sells their body for sex. Like Companions in Firefly/Serenity or Geshia. While sex may be part of what they do, they also listen, entertain, and get their clients to relax and unburden themselves. In such a case I think wis makes sense.
I´m confused, because in spanish a courtesan (cortesano o cortesana)was originally a person who attends the court of a monarch or noble. All the people around King Robert in Game of Thrones, for example are 'cortesanos'. Or the maidens who follow a queen. I never though in a Courtesan like a whore.
One of my gaming group's most memorable NPC encounters ever was with an elven prostitute with the Flurry of Blows feat
And an elven werewolf prostitute with Furry of Blows?
I can't help but to imagine what qualifies as masterwork tools for this profession either, but I'd be curious enough to at least take a cursory glance into the toolbox.
If I were running a PG campaign it would probably just contain high-end cosmetics and beauty aids.
But going further down the ratings chart you have to remember that sex toys and fetishes are actually quite old. They've found dildos in stone age deposits, and the Romans had both condoms and a herbal "birth control pill" that was allegedly so effective that the plant it was made from was farmed to extinction.
Well courtesan to me implies something more than just a person that sells their body for sex. Like Companions in Firefly/Serenity or Geshia. While sex may be part of what they do, they also listen, entertain, and get their clients to relax and unburden themselves. In such a case I think wis makes sense.
*rolls eyes*
In these discussions someone always brings up how classy and reputable Geshia were, but I still haven't met anyone who would be deeply honored to be the illegitimate son of a hard working Geshia.
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*rolls eyes*
In these discussions someone always brings up how classy and reputable Geshia were, but I still haven't met anyone who would be deeply honored to be the illegitimate son of a hard working Geshia.
Leave his mom out of it.
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Well courtesan to me implies something more than just a person that sells their body for sex. Like Companions in Firefly/Serenity or Geshia. While sex may be part of what they do, they also listen, entertain, and get their clients to relax and unburden themselves. In such a case I think wis makes sense.I´m confused, because in spanish a courtesan (cortesano o cortesana)was originally a person who attends the court of a monarch or noble. All the people around King Robert in Game of Thrones, for example are 'cortesanos'. Or the maidens who follow a queen. I never though in a Courtesan like a whore.
What it means in English can be found here.
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Well courtesan to me implies something more than just a person that sells their body for sex. Like Companions in Firefly/Serenity or Geshia. While sex may be part of what they do, they also listen, entertain, and get their clients to relax and unburden themselves. In such a case I think wis makes sense.*rolls eyes*
In these discussions someone always brings up how classy and reputable Geshia were, but I still haven't met anyone who would be deeply honored to be the illegitimate son of a hard working Geshia.
Being honored for being a illegitimate son has nothing to do with how some seen the profession of the person doing it.
Being honored for being a illegitimate son has nothing to do with how some seen the profession of the person doing it.Well courtesan to me implies something more than just a person that sells their body for sex. Like Companions in Firefly/Serenity or Geshia. While sex may be part of what they do, they also listen, entertain, and get their clients to relax and unburden themselves. In such a case I think wis makes sense.*rolls eyes*
In these discussions someone always brings up how classy and reputable Geshia were, but I still haven't met anyone who would be deeply honored to be the illegitimate son of a hard working Geshia.
My point was leaning more to the "Your mom is a Geshia, try to feel honored." thing
Goblins do it in the street!
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Hmm... Y'know, I've always been curious where this "commoners get 10cp a day" thing came from. I'm assuming the old DMG, but... Yeah. Anyone care to enlighten me?
It's under the 'untrained' subheading of the Profession Skill (core rulebook page 103).
So taking 10, a 1st level working girl is looking at... say... a check of 20 with skill focus, +2 for a mwk. tools and a +1 for wis. That's a paltry 5gp a week... I wonder if Calistrian prostitutes have it better?
You earn half your Profession check in gp per week of dedicated work. So, 1 rank, +3 for being a class skill (Profession is for most), +3 for Skill Focus, +2 for Wisdom modifier (assuming an appropriate basic NPC Ability Score array), +2 for masterwork tools = 21 when taking 10. That's 10.5gp per week, or 42gp per month. 'Cost of Living' (core book page 405) tells us that 10gp per month nets you an 'average' lifestyle - so all in all, not bad. Of course, anyone with a mere 1 rank in a Craft or Profession Skill will easily earn enough to qualify for an 'average' lifestyle... which is, I guess, why it's 'average' in the first place.
To qualify for a 'wealthy' lifestyle, on the other hand, you're needing to earn 25gp per week - i.e. be hitting a Profession Skill modifier of +40. An 'extravagant' lifestyle is right out. So... maybe going adventuring and looting ca$h off the poor mooks you murder is a better lifestyle choice after all? ;)