Hp Touchpad $99


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So this... it's kind of old news, it sold out across the country. but apparently HP is getting thousands more in stock as the week goes on.

hp touchpad

I managed to get a hold of one, and I'm wondering, what uses can a tablet device like an ipad or this Touchpad serve while playing these games? I am using a google docs based character sheet for starts for when I play, but I think I'm going to use it for the pdfs of the Kingmaker Adventure path I'm running in addition to the book. Of course I didn't get it just for this, but, well, at $99, who wouldn't get it?

Discuss :P


The answer lies entirely in how much support you can get for webOS apps. On the iPad and Android devices I know there are lots of app options to make gaming easier, but I don't know anything about webOS. Seeing as many folks consider it "dead" despite promises from HP otherwise, it's unclear how much future support it will get either.

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Tesserex wrote:

So this... it's kind of old news, it sold out across the country. but apparently HP is getting thousands more in stock as the week goes on.

hp touchpad

I managed to get a hold of one, and I'm wondering, what uses can a tablet device like an ipad or this Touchpad serve while playing these games? I am using a google docs based character sheet for starts for when I play, but I think I'm going to use it for the pdfs of the Kingmaker Adventure path I'm running in addition to the book. Of course I didn't get it just for this, but, well, at $99, who wouldn't get it?

Discuss :P

Those of us who didn't hear the news until a day or two later and found out that they're now being flipped on ebay for four hundred a pop.

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erian_7 wrote:
The answer lies entirely in how much support you can get for webOS apps. On the iPad and Android devices I know there are lots of app options to make gaming easier, but I don't know anything about webOS. Seeing as many folks consider it "dead" despite promises from HP otherwise, it's unclear how much future support it will get either.

When a company kills the complete hardware line scare a couple of months after launching it, I'd take their promises of "app support" with a great deal of salt.

You can run other WebOS apps on it but given that they're built for smartphones the experience will be less than optimal.

About the only use you'll probably get from it will be web-based dierollers and PDF reading.

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Does it come with/can you get a PDF reader that handles secured pdf?

Liberty's Edge

A pretty cheap color ebook reader?


If you can find one, it looks like a much nicer option than rooting a color Nook. I wish I could get one, but even $99 is too much to spare with so many bills. :(

I've heard they can be a little pokey performance wise, but if anyone scores one, let us know how well it works.

Liberty's Edge

Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

So I would gather they wouldn't support it much with an app like store.


Andrew Turner wrote:
A pretty cheap color ebook reader?

I'd say thats about all it's good for. HP is dropping lots of stuff. Tablets, Computers, WebOS in general. If you get one be fully aware it is technological dead end. What is available now for it will be all that's available and don't expect bug fixes or OS updates from HP. They got pants by the iPad and are feeling the pinched between Dell and increasing Apple share in the personal computer market.


thenorthman wrote:
Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

When did this happen? And if it's true, why wasn't I told?!

In all seriousness, though, where did you hear this?

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Readerbreeder wrote:
thenorthman wrote:
Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

When did this happen? And if it's true, why wasn't I told?!

In all seriousness, though, where did you hear this?

Various news outlets, including NPR today.

The PC business, while still profitable, is getting harder to make a profit in. HP is dropping their tablets, smart phones and looking to sell off their PC business because of it (getting out ahead of the curve). It's looking like they will be sticking with their printer and ink business (that's still a cash cow).

They also just picked up a software firm (UK based IIRC) for about $10B, and are most likely going to be expanding their presence in the software arena.

On that front, if they license out WebOS, there may still be a future for the Touchpads, but that is a big if.


Readerbreeder wrote:
thenorthman wrote:
Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

When did this happen? And if it's true, why wasn't I told?!

In all seriousness, though, where did you hear this?

All over the news. They are planning on exiting the hardware market like IBM. More specifically and definitely, they are killing webOS and this tablet.


It is a dead end product, but there is a team hard at work to bring android to it.

Also, for anyone who wants to get their hands on it... Good luck. However, the hp site is the only place left really selling it, but you still have to be lucky. If you really want it, try http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/tablets/hp/ I heard about it first on Team Liquid, so I guess I was just fortunate I browse their tech forums often.

Also, I had no clue this message board had a technology forum. I originally placed this in general off-topic, wish I knew better when I posted


The guys over at tabletroms.com Are trying to get their hands on some for their development efforts as well. It could turn into a nice device for mods, but general users not willing to go through those types of hoops need to steer clear I'd think.


well I know that this HP laptop I'm working on has multiple issues with it and I wouldn't buy another full blown HP anyway. Several units have overheating issues, like fires. This one thankfully isn't one of those. I really love it when I restart and the screen doesn't come up properly, I've had to put it in sleep mode 10 times before the screen pops.

$99 for a tablet...against and iPad, man those things are fast at PDFs...


I had an HP laptop shortly after the Compaq merger that was a nightmare, but our current HP Laptop and HP Tablet both perform excellently (and I am a fairly heavy-duty user).

I'd be leery about a WebOS machine unless I knew what it could run (If I could run webstart versions of MapTools on it, I'd buy it in an instant as an auxiliary control system).

As a general rule, I stay away from large-scale desktops of the HP/Dell/eMachine variety. I much prefer something like CyberpowerPC where I can use their configuration tools to get what I want, rather than what is available.

Grand Lodge

The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.


Cartigan wrote:
Readerbreeder wrote:
thenorthman wrote:
Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

When did this happen? And if it's true, why wasn't I told?!

In all seriousness, though, where did you hear this?

All over the news. They are planning on exiting the hardware market like IBM. More specifically and definitely, they are killing webOS and this tablet.

I must be frequenting the wrong news sites; I hadn't heard a thing about this... :-(


I'd only buy it for use as a coster.

HP is abandoning web O/S so there will be no offical updates and little or no app development for the device.

Even if some third party dev manages to port Android onto the tablet you will have a tablet that will have no offical support and an out of date Adroid build.

If all you want out of the tablet is to check e-mail and web surf then it's a good deal but for anything else it next to useless.


I read one report which said that WebOS ran better on an iPad than it did on the HP tablet.

That can't be a good sign for your hardware if the software *designed* for your hardware runs better on a competitor's hardware. :)


Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.

Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.

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zylphryx wrote:
Readerbreeder wrote:
thenorthman wrote:
Didn't HP just announce they were getting out of all computer lines?

When did this happen? And if it's true, why wasn't I told?!

In all seriousness, though, where did you hear this?

Various news outlets, including NPR today.

The PC business, while still profitable, is getting harder to make a profit in. HP is dropping their tablets, smart phones and looking to sell off their PC business because of it (getting out ahead of the curve). It's looking like they will be sticking with their printer and ink business (that's still a cash cow).

They also just picked up a software firm (UK based IIRC) for about $10B, and are most likely going to be expanding their presence in the software arena.

On that front, if they license out WebOS, there may still be a future for the Touchpads, but that is a big if.

The PC buisness is a dodgy one. IBM exited the market a few years ago, selling the relevant divisions to Lenovo. I can't say I'm sorry to see them go. They make great printers, but I've had issues with a lot of their desktops since the merger with Compaq.

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Cartigan wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.
Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.

They're both Linux derivatives so it may be closer than you'd think. People are already running Ubuntu on it...


mcbobbo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.
Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.
They're both Linux derivatives so it may be closer than you'd think. People are already running Ubuntu on it...

Oh please, the Linux fanboys will make Ubuntu run on anything. Give them a breadboard and a lawnmower engine and it will be running Ubuntu in a week. The problem is making Android run on it.

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Cartigan wrote:
mcbobbo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.
Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.
They're both Linux derivatives so it may be closer than you'd think. People are already running Ubuntu on it...
Oh please, the Linux fanboys will make Ubuntu run on anything. Give them a breadboard and a lawnmower engine and it will be running Ubuntu in a week. The problem is making Android run on it.

Why would I want android if i can get ubuntu or debian on it?

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Cartigan wrote:
mcbobbo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.
Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.
They're both Linux derivatives so it may be closer than you'd think. People are already running Ubuntu on it...
Oh please, the Linux fanboys will make Ubuntu run on anything. Give them a breadboard and a lawnmower engine and it will be running Ubuntu in a week. The problem is making Android run on it.

There's a world of difference between getting Android or Ubuntu to run a device and actually being functional. You need data to create software drivers for every piece of hardware that the device supports and HP is proably not giving out that information. Yes you can get Ubuntu to run on an Ipod. Note that Ipods running Ubuntu are not that popular, nor very functional.


Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
mcbobbo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
The only reason I'd pick one up would be to get Ice Cream Sandwich on it near the end of the year.
Unless they are planning to hand out free ice cream sandwhiches with the tablet, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. HP Tablet is [i]webOS[/] - ie, Palm. Not Android. Sure, someone might be able to get Android on it, but it isn't a native Android device even so it will be rather sketchy.
They're both Linux derivatives so it may be closer than you'd think. People are already running Ubuntu on it...
Oh please, the Linux fanboys will make Ubuntu run on anything. Give them a breadboard and a lawnmower engine and it will be running Ubuntu in a week. The problem is making Android run on it.
Why would I want android if i can get ubuntu or debian on it?

Because we were talking about putting Android on it


Cartigan wrote:
Because we were talking about putting Android on it

Yes, and now we are talking about putting Ubuntu or another Nix on it. Sorry we did not know you owned this thread and dictated what was ok to discuss here. And tagging everybody who want to discuss something else "Fanboys"? Please.

Ubuntu could be great - The Unity interface seems to ask for a touch device and usually, HP hardware is working ok with Linux.

Android could be great too. And as it runs on a linux kernel (yes, Android and Chrome Os are linux based systems - get used to it, Google is pushing Linux), I guess the difficulties involved would be about the same.

Anyway, I hope they can make it work. 99$ for an Android or Ubuntu tablet would be a real deal.


Despite what Linux fanboys think, their OS isn't that great. Andrew said something about putting Android on it, which is what I was responding to. I don't care about some discussion about Linux because that is irrelevant to what I was responding to.


Cartigan wrote:
Despite what Linux fanboys think, their OS isn't that great. Andrew said something about putting Android on it, which is what I was responding to. I don't care about some discussion about Linux because that is irrelevant to what I was responding to.

Android IS Linux.

Also, Every OS sucks.

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Cartigan wrote:
Despite what Linux fanboys think, their OS isn't that great. Andrew said something about putting Android on it, which is what I was responding to. I don't care about some discussion about Linux because that is irrelevant to what I was responding to.

Getting Android or any other OS on the unit is only half the battle.

The hard part is writing software drivers for the various components of the unit such as the camera, the wireless, the touchpad itself, not trivial tasks, even if HP releases documentation on the device components which it has not, and may not if it is looking to keep the tech details as part of the sale of it's PC computer division.


CunningMongoose wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Despite what Linux fanboys think, their OS isn't that great. Andrew said something about putting Android on it, which is what I was responding to. I don't care about some discussion about Linux because that is irrelevant to what I was responding to.

Android IS Linux.

Android is not Ubuntu.


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Cartigan wrote:
CunningMongoose wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Despite what Linux fanboys think, their OS isn't that great. Andrew said something about putting Android on it, which is what I was responding to. I don't care about some discussion about Linux because that is irrelevant to what I was responding to.

Android IS Linux.

Android is not Ubuntu.

No, it's just being developped on Ubuntu, can be run as an interface to Ubuntu and share a large amout of code with Ubuntu, but is not identical to Ubuntu... Please read on a subject before giving into easy rhetoric.

Also:

ThechNewsWorld 08/26/11 wrote:
Further, there are reports that at least one TouchPad actually came preinstalled with Android 2.2.1 on top of an Ubuntu-based system, and that this seemed to have been preinstalled by Qualcomm (Nasdaq: QCOM).

So the best way to actually run Android on the Hp Pad is actually by... installing Ubuntu.

Why, because the modified Linux Kernel Ubuntu is using probably has a better support for the hardware than the generic kernel usually shipped with the Android interface.

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I removed a post and a reply to it. Was that necessary?

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Yay edition wars!


First time I've seen a Linux vs Linux fight.

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Xabulba wrote:
First time I've seen a Linux vs Linux fight.

:) Some of the real fundies get into Linux vs GNU/Linux fights


Xabulba wrote:
First time I've seen a Linux vs Linux fight.

I missed to read the removed posts... anyway, yes, it's kinda funny when you think about it :-)

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And it looks like Android is already coming to it.

Cyanogen Mod 7 on HP Touchpad

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I removed one I missed last time.


Andrew Betts wrote:

And it looks like Android is already coming to it.

Cyanogen Mod 7 on HP Touchpad

"And the touch screen isn't working yet...."

Lack of hardware drivers indeed. Unless HP wants to cough those up that's going to take a really good amount of time, and even longer to refine. Who knows, maybe well see a Google Owned Motorola Mobility Android based tablet before then. Ah who am I kidding, Google's not going to make a 'whole widget' before Cyanogen 7 is fully up and running on the Touchpad.

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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/370558/how-to-install-android-on-the-hp-tou chpad

Well they got the multitouch working, camera doesn't yet though.

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