I know this will come up in our group eventually, so I'd like to get some preemptive Net wisdom first. Here's the relevant part.
Energy Body (Su): As a standard action, you can transform your body into pure life energy, resembling a golden-white fire elemental. In this form, you gain the elemental subtype
Elemental Subtype: An elemental is a being composed entirely from one of the four classical elements: air, earth, fire, or water. An elemental has the following features.
- Immunity to bleed, paralysis, poison, sleep effects, and stunning.
- Not subject to critical hits or flanking. Does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks, such as sneak attack.
- Proficient with natural weapons only, unless generally humanoid in form, in which case proficient with all simple weapons and any weapons mentioned in its entry.
- Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, as well as all lighter types. Elementals not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Elementals are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
- Elementals do not breathe, eat, or sleep
1) Does this make you Humanoid (human, elemental)?
2) Do you retain all of your armor and weapon proficiencies, and retain full use of those while using Energy Body?
3) Can you cast spells, speak, etc, while in this form?
4) If you had an affliction that the elemental subtype is immune to, what happens?
The last one is the most interesting to me. Last session, my character was poisoned. If I were to acquire the elemental subtype, does it:
1) Suspend the poison effect and duration. When the subtype disappears the duration continues as per normal.
2) Suspend the effect but the duration continues to count down.
3) Completely negate the effect, and you are no longer poisoned when you revert to normal.
4) Have no effect on the existing poison, and you continue to take damage regardless of your new subtype.
My answers are:
1) Yes, you are a Humanoid (human, elemental). At one point I thought it might include "fire", but you don't automatically gain the "fire" subtype.
2) You are still armed and armored, can use those as per normal.
3) It doesn't say anything about restricting speech or ability to manipulate items, so I think you can cast spells and use items as per normal.
4) I'm inclined to think that it would make you immune to poison damage while in this form, and the duration would continue to count down.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Even better with citations.
Thanks much.
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I don't usually like to necro a 4 year old thread, but FarmerBob is essentially asking everything I wanted to ask in a new thread.
Specifically, what happens to an existing poison, when you activate energy body? Is the poison:
1) Suppressed for the duration?
2) Cured by the immunity to poison, granted by the elemental subtype?
Using the numbers from the OP:
1) No clue
2) You retain the proficiencies. Whether you can use them depends on the elemental.
3) Elementals can speak so speaking and casting works if you have the material components.
4) The poison should be negated because the current body is immune to it.
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1. The revelation says you "Gain the elemental subtype." This doesn't change your type, and doesn't remove your original subtype, so I agree, a human becomes Humanoid (Human, Elemental).
2. You retain your proficiencies, I agree, as you haven't lost your original subtype or your class levels.
3. Yes, you can speak. There is nothing in the revelation that says your equipment is subsumed in your new form, so you don't lose access to things like polymorph or wild-shaping.
4. You do gain the elemental subtype, with its lack of discernible anatomy, and so I would agree, the poison should be negated. However, expect table variation on this one.
I'm wondering what takes precedence if your type and subtype give conflicting info.
•Humanoids breathe, eat, and sleep
•Elementals do not breathe, eat, or sleep.
So while under energy body, would you need to breathe as per the humanoid type or not as per the elemental subtype? That could be relevant for some spells or abilities that state not working on targets that do not need to breathe.
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Perhaps then it should replace your old subtype. I can't see the revelation as being very useful without actually having you be the elemental subtype, with it's effects on anatomy. If you still have to breathe, then you can be suffocated, and that limits the revelation.
I would rule that the precedence is for the new subtype. It would probably take a lot of words to fully describe the situation.
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I'm wondering what takes precedence if your type and subtype give conflicting info.
•Humanoids breathe, eat, and sleep
•Elementals do not breathe, eat, or sleep.So while under energy body, would you need to breathe as per the humanoid type or not as per the elemental subtype? That could be relevant for some spells or abilities that state not working on targets that do not need to breathe.
Given the limited rounds per day = to your oracle level, its likely impossible to abuse this ability.
While under the effect of Energy Body, you would have the benefits of the elemental subtype and therefore have no need to breathe, eat, or sleep, but once energy body is used up... the need to breathe, eat, or sleep will just kick back in.
The wording for the Immunity ability doesn't say anything about prevent said effect from existing, just that you do not suffer from it.
A creature with immunities takes no damage from listed sources. Immunities can also apply to afflictions, conditions, spells (based on school, level, or save type), and other effects. A creature that is immune does not suffer from these effects, or any secondary effects that are triggered due to an immune effect.
I see no reason why the poison would disappear, you just won't suffer from it. I'd rule that:
1.) Any ability damage the poison had caused prior to the change would still be there, unless healed otherwise.2.) Any checks to be made while in the elemental form would automatically succeed - this means, to me, that if said poison is cured by a single save, then a save during the elemental form WOULD be enough to end the poison's duration.
3.) Any poison duration remaining when the elemental form ends would still play out as normal.