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None yet. Maybe a few on April 2nd, but I have the feeling we will be above the max limit anyway unless we drastically change the company structure.

Actually.. the way the system is set up, it's better to have lots of low-hanging achievements left so you can generate influence fast at a later time. Though active veterans are indeed their own reward.

188. Blame Cosmo. (for babies, for moral dilemmas, for the GM, for whatever)

Decimus Drake wrote:
You could play her as an apologist for the goddess? You might want to consider the mutant eye trait which gives you a third eye. It could be because of this deformity you were scorned by wider society which drove you to the faith of Lamashtu, where ugliness and deformity is celebrated, despite you not being as evil and demented as a more typical follower. Since you're playing a female you might like

i'd also suggest something like this. You an be a warpriest with an agenda of part revenge, part wanting to show them you are better than them, part missionary and part revolutionary: tearing down the status quo order so we can build a better world from the ashes (where either monsters get to be the top dogs this time, or where monsters and fluffy kittens play together in the sunny fields)

Against power gamers: play the NPCs like they want to win!
(warning, may be tough on some egos and literally is a gm-vs-players game, but if they like tactical challenges it can work fine).

No suicide charging in small groups, but instead hit & run, ambushes in places with traps, calling for reinforcements, illusory reinforcements, delaying tactics if the players use short-term buffs, etc. Never give them enough time to rest and buff (unless of course they actually need it), but let them earn every victory.

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(disclaimer, haven't DM'ed since 3.5 but my nostalgia wanted to post)

Like many others, I change the 'evil races' from mindless cannon fodder supply to more like an 'evil twin civilization'. Orc vs dwarf, human vs hobgoblin, forest elf vs gnoll (and mages vs necromancers). Low magic, human-centric campaign on homebrew map.

The orcs were not so much changed, just basically just 'mountain orcs'.

The hobgoblins were militaristic with a highly organized caste system, had longships, cavalry, siege engines and good supply lines. Inspired by mongols, goths and vikings.

The gnolls were my favourite: think werewolf-rangers stalking the forests: strong, stealthy, cunning elf-hunters. I changed the lore (and gnoll stats) so that forest elves lived in trees and used bows because the gnolls were simply too strong in melee combat and faster on the ground (but slow and heavy climbers).

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Thod wrote:


Could do - no problem. Remind me if I don't come back straight away or suggest a price as you know better how many of your settlement would want to gather.

I like the 1cp token fee, Thodd. Bascially welcoming people to gather (but not strip mine) in exchange for a formal recognition of EL's claim to the area. And Cheatle responding with a top-level solution that removes bureaucracy plus prevent hypothetical incidents from unlicenced gathering.

Nice moves on both sides!

The 10% donation i'm less enthusiastic about from two purely practical perspectives: bookkeeping and having to find the quartermaster.

Typically I would gather in those hexes either as part of travelling (Thornkeep-Riverbank or similar), or i would just touch into them as part of gathering in the 'greater Keepers Pass district'/Hammerfall. In either case, EL would not be where I bank my goods or go to sleep at night, nor would most the stuff in my bags be from EL lands.

The 'neutral good' solution would be that I conscientously promise to at semi-regular times donate an amount of goods I think is appropriate, and we'll discuss it if you feel cheated.
The 'lawful evil' solution would be that I note the 10% is a request and agree to your terms as written.
You can pick either, but my suggestion would be the NG one.

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Savage Grace wrote:
only skimmed the replies, but in response to the O.P. One key part of settlements is the bank, especially if/when people can be locked out of foreign banks.

Absolutely, but I wouldn't expect banking to be by default limited to settlement/kingdom members. If settlements are allowed a choice between NBSI/NRDS-type banking policies it will matter more who you make friends with, but if banking rights are a main reason for staying in a settlement something is wrong.

During the war of towers, banking is not a reason to join/leave/expand settlements, though. So while it's certainly a big part of a settlement's value it is peripherical to the 'big question' in the OP: what would happen to settlements if we scrapped the training support mechanic.

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Tyncale wrote:

Big Questions:

will leaving out the Training Support feature bring the Economic and Political engines of this game to a grinding halt?

Leaving out the support mechanic but keeping the training mechanic:

during war of towers:
-provides the same incentive for settlements for capturing more towers to provide higher levels of training, but slightly less incentive to defend/reclaim attacked towers (losing one or losing all is not so different for veteran players).
-would allow settlements to benefit from cycling tower ownership or using temporary membership.

after war of towers:
-would take away one of the balancing acts for settlements: specialized training vs broad support
-might lead to more diverse settlements with highly specialized training (for a fee) and less generalist settlements.
-would make 'homeless' veteran charaters much more powerful than new characters.
-less mechanical incentive to stick with your settlement when you've reached the max training they will offer, but basically same incentive to stick with it until you reach that point.
-would give veteran characters an advantage in building new settlements, ie: favour 'daughter settlements' over new groups.

my (clouded) gut feeling is: the difference won't be huge, and for WoT it might be ok-ish, after that I'm less certain. Removing it to later bring it back will create the most drama.

your LN and NG ones cover a lot of what i would put as 'neutral'.

Some simple suggestions (can even be combined). Both these would be gods that are busy with bigger things than mortal individuals, but care about balance on a larger scale. Both could have weather as part of their domain.

- the ocean. Gives and takes, calm and violent.

- time. Seasons, lifecycles, birth and death.

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Golgotha (and the rest of the Empire) are my favourite villains by far!

Essentially my responses to the questions would be identical to Yrme's above, with the added emphasis that:

Playing as 'prey' is most fun when there is just enough risk.

Being robbed/attempted robbed on, say, 5% of my gathering runs I see as a good thing, but around 20% it becomes a bad thing for me. Even for RP, it's a lot more exciting when friendship/emnity actually matters (and you can if you want -force- people to notice you), but it breaks down if PvP paranoia sets in.

I'm very happy to have the NC as our resident forces of evil. On-stage i'll keep fighting (or fleeing) you but behind the scenes i'd be very sad to see the Evil Empire (TM) fail. Good luck and catch me if you can.

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Should we look forward to it too, or run from you?

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Gol Phyllain wrote:
Nihimon wrote:
Savage Grace wrote:
Do you know what a really evil settlement would do?
They same thing they always do: denigrate those who strive for something better while pretending that they themselves are the "real" good guys.
So what you have done the entire game?

I think you guys might be confusing the topic with "is EBA goodie-two-shoes enough?". Which is in that other thread.

But it makes me look forward to hearing Thod's class on politics tomorrow...

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For me, Golgatha is just the right amount of evil - wouldn't want any more.

'Us vs Them' is really all you need to get warfare going, but choosing evil gives you more tactical options and attracts certain player types (at the cost of losing the morale higher ground).

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Hobson Fiffledown wrote:

I hear you Cheatle, it's a good idea. I'm just not sure if we could social-forge something properly when there is a fix so soon in the queue. Also, it opens up a lot of very valid "word warfare" opportunities for all parties involved.

I think copying Kadere's ignoring it all is the best solution (and certainly the best non-warfare tactic).

If we genreally agree on the basic rules, was can always implement a policy where someone spamming general will be flooded with whispers telling them 'please don't spam general chat'. (but that won't work if you are the only one complaining)

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Thanks, Pino.

Did you also record the sunday one with Ryan Dancey?

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Diego Rossi wrote:

Nice piece, but I think there is a problem that you aren't considering:

Midnight of Golgotha wrote:

1) Get out there and do offensive PvP. It will make you a better defender as you see the various ways people defeat/escape you....

You see, number 1 advice, probably the more important, don't work.

You are suggesting PvErs to do something that they don't like to become better at doing something they don't like. In a game.

Two comments:

-The suggestion is also that they (we!) learn how to avoid the stuff we don't like by learning how it actually works. An alternative would be to practice running away tactics - which is exactly what the original post is about.

-Getting killed during something like the Barbarian brawl (with no valuables on you) is very different from getting robbed when you have a full load of valuables. I hate being forced into pvp when outnumbered with everything to lose (I love getting away, though). Taking away 'forced', 'outnumbered' and 'things to lose' from the equation and you might find a little practice worth it to increase your survivability.

..and I still find it remarkable that the "evil predatory Golgatha" is teaching everyone how to get away from them. I'd rather not critique them for seeing things from a non-PvP-adverse point of view.

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Hijacking the thread momentarily to mention that Thannon is also giving some great lectures at the Pathfinder University. Show up for a lecture, get a business deal on the side!


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Savage Grace wrote:

When it comes to settlements, there are 3 things to consider.

Location, location, location.


Location of enemies and allies
Location of resources
Location of markets and trade routes

My impresssion is that Golgathans see close proximity to enemies as a convenience.
Funnily enough, players such as myself tend to see it as just the opposite.

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Gol Tigari wrote:
Is it really a war though?

My impression was that it is a cold war at most. Or just rivalry. And that the driver for it is the need to have some pvp in the game more than anything else.

something something about Golgatha playing the villains the game needs.

maybe I'm naive, but what I've seen so far is a bunch of players wanting the game to succeed and able to cooperate just fine in the background while fighting and looting each other in the foreground.

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Thank you Midnight!
Hopefully you will have slightly less easy pickings now ;-)

For the record: this presentation is officially endorsed by PFUniversity.

(and it's my fault it didn't make it into the 1st week schedule)

I guess the issue is not so much people grabbing it off you when you are carrying it around, but rather someone stealing it when you are sleeping, taking a bath etc. So:

Alarm spell. Ring of sustenance so you need less sleep. Sleeping with it under your pillow. Magic circles around your bed (but watch the time). Sleeping in a Magnificant Mansion (though that is far beyond 'reasonable' IMO).

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TEO Cheatle wrote:

+0 T2 weapons do 10 more damage and have an average 50 higher to hit, than a +2 T1 weapon.

+0 T2 armor will have 50-120 more hitpoints, 30-80 power, +2 to three different recoveries, +50 to all defenses, and +2-6 in 2-3 defenses.

Both giving you +2 to Epow and Epro

...and +4 physical protection. (woot - Cheatle missed a tiny detail?!)

but of course, T2+2 is even better. That's what you should be aiming for if you can afford it (says the refiner...).

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Tyncale wrote:
I made 160 Cotton Twine +0, and not a single +1. :( Which is a pity since I was lucky to get a +2 Composite Maple Stave from a Batch of +0. So no +1 Wardens Longbow just yet. I am going to keep trying.

save the stave for a +2 bow!

I can make cotton twine+2, so TEO (per open offer for refined items, see GW/trade subforum) should be able to trade you.
If you wait a few more days, even +3 might become available for the right price.

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Pyronous Rath wrote:
anyone who thought a wiz was op EVER in pfo is straight up full of crap.

Apparently I'm straight up full of crap, then. And have no point to make.

But when my rogue decided to finally try out a staff, it felt like easy mode in comparison! The guys who farmed ten thousand goblins in the first week also seemed to rely mainly on staves. And when Ryan back in alpha took all the classes straight to level 8 (see, they already did that), his only complaint about the wizard was that getting the arcane achievements took relatively long. Since EE, the devs have felt the need to nerf several spells. Because, apparently, they felt wizards were too strong.

I think you are just talking about the perceived situation right now and tossing out words like 'EVER' just to try to add strength to your argument. I liked it better when you were arguing for better grass - the hyped emotional style was entertaining then.

Your point that fighter/cleric builds are more suited for wading through groups of mobs is a very valid point, though. So at least one of us made one.


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Harad Navar wrote:
I am greatly pleased with the energy around PFU. Congratulations on the developer interviews. I think that is fantastic that new voices are rising to support the community. Indeed a worthy successor to Gobocast

Indeed the fireside chat with Lisa reminded me of Gobbocast. But even with the new voices sounding we don't want the older ones to go quiet. Talk to me if you are interested in being a guest lecturer.

Gol Phyllain wrote:
Golgotha has decided to not add PFU to its list of conquests. :) In all seriousness we want PFU to do well and get players engaged in the social aspect of the game.

Thank you Phyllain. Let's all hope our usefulness as a learning facility continues to outstrip our usefulness as prey. Now, as a winner of PvP tournaments - any chance of getting you to give a duelling masterclass?

(The classes "how to be a successful evil overlord" and "peasant revolt 101" are in the advanced curriculum for the fall semester and won't be offered this spring).

KotC - Erian El'ranelen wrote:
And that, good sir, is why I as readily turn new players toward Golgotha as to any other settlement, depending on the player's intended play style...

Absolutely! The PFU main goal is to have no players quit in frustration because of the learning curve. Beyond that, we see joining a settlement as a key step to enjoying the game - as long as the settlement is functional and matches your playstyle.

But how will players know what settlement to pick? This is where we offer anyone to come give a guest lecture (contact me or Hoffmann if interested) and represent their company.
If someone is willing to compile and maintain a guide to settlements/companies that would be great, but it must be done with liberal amounts of care and respect.

Master of Curriculum, PFU

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Patience, the grass is always greener in the spring.

also, OOC tags can always be used in RP posts to make it over-obvious that you are not RPing. Any post by Theoodum (and not Thod) is a RP post.

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Shooting you a few questions on PM, Hoff.
Be sure to record it so I can watch at a less ungodly hour than 3am.

(actually you forgot to ask Lisa why they insist on living in such an inconvenient time zone).

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
TEO Cheatle wrote:
Wealth doesn't have to mean gold.
Regardless of what it means, do you have access to a listing of the number of friends, allies, or assets that any other person on the board has? If you don't, the claim (while it might be accurate) is both spurious and provocative.

It would surprise me greatly if any individual has greater wealth than the combined wealth of the largest group in the game.
TEO has a centralised economy where Michelle essentially holds all TEOs gathered, refined and crafted items not currently in use by players. Which is ...a whole lot of items.
Michelle is extremely unlikely to make personal appearances in this or other threads since that would risk falling behind on her bookkeeping

Michelle Wedgewood.... there's a crafty one. They can strip her of her titles and proclaim her just a commoner, but until they figure out how to access the vault without her they can't touch her power.
And if they were stupid enough to try anything, it would take about 10 seconds before all the mercenaries figured out the business opportunity.

Since cutting off the head prevents Raise Dead, I would only...

..nah, scratch that. I'd definitely pull it. And I think I know exactly which player would be tempted despite the warnings of everyone else.

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Ravenlute wrote:

Let's throw a little organised chaos into the world. Announcing the Barbarian Brawl! Melee only, FFA, blood splattering fun-times!

Any chance of organizing another brawl this weekend?

PFU is working to arrange pvp classes (by some very skilled guest lecturers), and a brawl would be the perfect place for some hands-on experience afterwards.

If you consider making the brawl into a regular event, we'd definitely want to plan some classes around that and promote it.

Great initiative in either case!

Master of Curriculum, Pathfinder Universtiy

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Axi Hoffman wrote:

Friday 2/20 at 10pm central EU time (UCT+1) we will have Foxglove presenting Gearing Up; how to get beter gear and use it too. This class will provide an intro on crafting Tier 1 +2 gear, and Foxglove will help you make your own! We are going to provide some supplies but are always interested in donations to the university of gear and raw/salvage/refined goods.

Hi all,

my class tonight is bascially for anyone who ever wants to use better gear, but those still in starter gear are especially encouraged. Crafting your own is just one of the options you have.

No crafting skill (or combat skills) required, but anyone wanting to craft their own T1 gear will get a boost from us.

Donations welcome, especially stacks of steel plate +2.

-looking forward to see you

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moving it inside just before starting, propping down a campfire outside - anything's possible.

But the keep is certainly easy to find for newcomers and can fit the whole server population if needed.

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randomwalker wrote:

For 3 keywords, the full damage in this case should be 98

Now also confirmed by Stephen (thanks!)

The issue here is that 79 =/= 98.

It's not not whether two sets of numbers come from different populations or how you should have defined the null hypothesis. Several of us are formally qualified to teach statistics, but that's not the topic here.

Fact: the OP observed results are due to some kind of error.
Fact: we know exactly where the number 79 comes from.
Fact: re-equipping gear (forcing keywords to be updated) solves the issue.
Fact: Stephen trying to reproduce the situation does not get the same error.


Since it's not repeated, we don't even know if it's an actual bug in the game code. Since it also seems very easy to fix, the devs really shouldn't put any effort into chasing it.

UNLESS someone can reproduce the bug and pin down the conditions where keywords don't update correctly. If that happens, let Stephen know.

EDIT: Capitolacracy, are you saying you saw the same bug (ie 79 max damage with a +2 staff) ?

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Diego Rossi wrote:
DeciusBrutus wrote:

The number of items gathered is weighted by the current stock of those items.

Source, please, as that is the main argument against my hypothesis, but I haven0t seen any post by a developer saying that.

Absolutely right, Diego, this is the crucial point!

At the bottom of the post i quoted above, Lee hides this little nugget:

So if you were to go up to a Forester hex you would have a 650/3900 chance of getting yew, a 1200/3900 chance of getting pine, etc. These numbers change as the ratings change. Every 15 minutes there is a chance equal to (current value/original value) that the resource will increase an amount equal to 1% of it's full value. So if Pine was harvested down to 960, there would be an 80% chance of restoring 12 points on the next 15 minute check.

It's not very explicit, but that's what I base my statements on.

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Great job! A Q&A session with any dev is a rare treat - when she is also the head of Paizo (and in my mind pretty much the Empress of Golarion), it's double goodness.

Axi Hoffman wrote:
I am going to try to ask Lisa questions that impact the largest player groups first, and during the event will be watching Hex chat for follow up questions.

Knowing you, I expect that means "the largest numbers of players" and has nothing to do with guilds/companies/settlements.

I'll be there if i can, but 2-3 AM on a worknight isn't optimal.

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Pyronous Rath wrote:


I might be misunderstanding you're terminology but when you say population are you referring to bandits in general or one specific bandit. I did every test on the same bandit for the two sets of 10. I just ran away after checking the number each time then followed him back for the next test.

This may be a valuable clue: The assumed bug may have to do with updating character info while in combat. (Or more specifically with changing between weapons of same type while in combat).

Did you every actually exit combat and untarget the bandit or stay in combat during the whole test?
Did you slot the two weapons as primary and secondary weapon, or go into inventory and unqeuip/equip?

Suggested tests for identifying bug:
-repeat your orignial test, but start with the +2 and then move to +0.
-actually kill the target to make doubly sure combat is ended, then attack another target of same name/type/colour.

PS: 'population' here is a technical statistics term. Bascially he means (as I do) that the two data sets seem to have been generated by the same formula, not by two sufficiently different formulas.

PPS: the orginal topic may be interesting for devs, the derailing probably isn't.

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i see what you're saying here.

When Lee explained the mechanics back here, he stated the mechanic

Every 15 minutes there is a chance equal to (current value/original value) that the resource will increase an amount equal to 1% of it's full value.

So, consider the 'out-of-synch case' where your hex has 900/1000 iron and 10/100 coal.

Expected respawning next 15 minutes:
90% * 1% * 1000 iron = 9 iron
10% * 1% * 100 coal = 0.1 coal

But on the other hand, the drop chances are now 900/910 iron vs 10/910 coal.

Drop ratio = 90/1
Respawn ratio = 90/1

So, on average no problem.

As you observe, the rates can easily to 'out of synch' since the rare resources are much more sensitive to randomness - but as long as they got the rounding right that randomness strikes equally in both directions and evens out over time.

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(Ad: This completely unfounded speculation brought to you by the Pathfinder University, opening in Thornkeep this week).

The number 79 certainly seems to be the full damage (after armor reduction), and the variation seems to be statistical noise.

For 1 keyword the base damage should be 45 and for 3 keywords 55.
10 points higher base damage should give (10*damage factor) more damage per hit.

= you are not seeing the difference between +0 and +2.

Possible causes: human error, bug, or strange design (mob with resistance that scales with attack).

Best advice: try again with a different type mob. If same (lack of) pattern persists, let us know and we'll try to confirm it independently.

math: Damage factor 1.84 (which at least was the case once upon a time) would give a full damage of 83 points for the +0, which would fit if the bandit has 2 points of resistance (bringing the base damage to 43).
For 3 keywords, the full damage in this case should be 98 (or 97, depending on rounding).

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G&S Thannon Forsworn wrote:

My combat volunteer with +2 Weapons and Heavy Armor solo farmed about 380 copper an hour in an easy escalation hex with minimal downtime between packs and very little time wasted hunting for packs.

So 1 coal has a base value of about 2.9c based on simple drop rate.

this is exactly the type calculation i've been asking for. Thanks :-)

key message: prices of 10+ copper per gathered T1 item are high.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Alrighty then. Sorry for the confusion. All this is hard to wrap my head around, but I think I've got it now.

I'd recommend you to skip +1 gear and move straight to +2 if you can (both for T1 and for T2).

My summary of keywords:

For weapons: Railroaded
You can't use an attack with the wrong weapon.
Attack levels 1-6 match (T1+0, T1+1, T1+2, T2+2, T2+3, T3+3)
Damage scales as 45,50,55,75,80,100.

Takehome messages: Tier matters more than pluses, and doubly so due to using a better d200 (equivalent to +50 attack bonus) with T2 weapon proficiency. Attack rank 4 is the big one (but you won't be seeing much T2+2 weapons the next month since we can't make them yet).

For armors: Complicated.
You can mix and match armors and feats, and the keywords are often the same but come at different times.

Again, what matters is number of keywords matched, where 'Masterwork' (and the major T3 keywords) counts as 4 keywords. You have to check the actual feats and armor, or you can find guides listing the optimal armors for each armor feat at each level.

Takehome message: tier is more important than pluses - and doubly so because of the +50 defense bonus from T2 armor proficiency.

other stuff
Each plus for your spellbook/implement allows to to hold another level spell/expendable. There is some more math with how class feature keywords interact with these. If you really want to know, ask cheatle.

Each plus for your wondrous items is supposed to increase the effect (or duration) of your utilities, but i'm not sure that is implemented yet.

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(disclaimer: i'm likely to be taking an active role is helping Hoffmann set this up, but i'm speaking only for myself here).

@Savage Grace (love the name btw) and Caldeathe:

1) yes, the idea has originated from TEO and will never be 'neutral enough' if EBA is the only major group supporting it.
If, say, Golgatha provided some guides and lecturers (maybe pvp teachers?) and gave a guarantee of independence (ie pledge to hunt down anyone going to war on Riverbank), then it would become a lot more neutral. As I understand Hoff above, Riverbank would -not- help defend other EBA settlements.

2) Marchmont makes sense for a lot of reasons - especially until player-buildt settlements are implemented- but Riverbank offers some extra options that we see as important.
First: Riverbank will have a pvp window which allows pvp practice.
Second: Riverbank has a good mix of escalations nearby (different mob types and different achievements) for pve training.
Third: Riverbank offers opportunity for players to learn settlement management (when that is implemented).
Fourth: specifically not being the default starter town means that those unwilling to follow the (very simple and non-oppressive) rules can be asked to leave.
Fifth (and maybe a weaker/less relevant argument, but still true): we are making the SW region relevant, and preventing a settlement from becoming a ghost town.
Sixth (and a double-edged argument): not being in the middle of all the action might be a good thing when settlement warfare starts. Some new players will appreciate a quieter corner to learn the game before diving in.

My expectation is that as soon as players get control of their own settlements, Riverbank will support/train maximum number of roles to T1 (but be very limited for high-level support). Until then, the fighter/cleric limitation is very unfortunate, but i'm seeing the Academy as something that will last far beyond the tower wars.

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Savage Grace wrote:

95% of the playerbase has fewer kills than Ryan. :-)

Actually, some stats would be interesting.

While a "pvp leaderboard" might sound like a good thing, it would promote unmotivated ganking.

[insert invitation for Bluddwolf to argue that the wording 'unmotivated ganking' is erroneous and getting on the leaderbord is a valid motivation].

That said, some random stats would be fun indeed. Anything from what weapon training is most popular, to percentage of players who customize their clothing colours, to how many rock vs trash nodes harvested last 7 days. We're suckers for statistics. We like it almost as much as math.

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my main expectation is that ammo will be traded on AH's, which will lead to more trade on the AH's.

EDIT: oh, and yew will increase in value.

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Gol Guurzak wrote:
I don't think GW envisions gathering as a dedicated career, but more of a sideline. You can get one gathering skill to T2 with just over a week of xp- that's not a big investment for a combat character with a couple of months of training.

You're right: reaching gatherer level 7 is fast, so gathering could indeed be done as a sideline. Gatherers need survivability anyway, so requiring them to buy non-gathering skills isn't a waste of xp.

You're wrong: reaching gatherer level 14 takes the same amount of xp as reaching refiner/crafter level 14 - but you additionally need to buy way more stats on the way. There will never be a T3 economy without highly dedicated gatherers.

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Thod: great marketing skills! I'm convinced you won't have the most cost-effective production line (including lodestone gathering), but with your location and the reputation you are building I expect to see you get customers. Maybe even become a hub for "free T2 traders".

Sspitfire: great analytic skills! And even if some disagree with certain assumptions, both the assumptions and the model are so transparent that it is trivial to check alternative scenarios. If you have an agenda besides providing clear info, you must be very sneaky indeed for I see none. Thanks again.

Thanks for making it very clear that T2+0 is going to cost way more than T1+2. (Though it is also worth way more due to the 3d200 system).

On a final note, I find it hard to believe that a level 8 crafter could make as much as 7 silvers a day just crafting, unless adventurers and gatherers can easily make similar (or higher) amounts of coin.

Training costs should kickstart the money economy though.


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Great blog! Very reassuring to see that so many of the right things are on that list.

Will our feedback change the priority order on some of the "real soon (TM)" features? Should we wait for you to poll us or just blurt out our personal suggestions?

Nitpicking: some of the items on the list are problems, some are solutions - some misunderstandings might occur. But as long as it is crystal clear to GW staff, it's not worth fixing.

Re: Settlement/company management. If you implement multiple company leaders, then only the last remaining leader should have restrictions to leave.

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RyanH wrote:
Holy carp ... I should go sell my loads of coal I can't yet use.

If you are willing to haul it down to southeast (or you are talking 1000s of coal), you should contact Cheatle or Fierywind for an offer.

@Neadenil Edam: yeah, raw material prices on the AH are not realistic. Perhaps people come from other games (including tabletop) with the expectation that copper pieces are trivial?

Simple math: compare pve farming rate with gathering rate
avg value = (#cp farmed/hour) / (#items gathered/hr - #items salvaged/hour)

maybe we should persuade Cheatle to generate some statistics for 10-man escalation fighting team vs 10 T2 gatherers...

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Do not fall into the trap of buying stuff you'll never use just because the dex/xp ratio is good. (This is more of an issue for wisdom, where the most xp-efficient way is to train a little in all the domains in the game).

Kadere wrote:
I am tackling this issue for Wis on Cleric at the moment. I don't really want to rank up skills beyond where I can directly benefit (as I am still using a +0 focus). It is an odd position to be in.

Your problem isn't wisdom so much as equipment then.

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Now the same resources can be found in the same regions, but not in all the hexes.

I like this.

Less haste, more perceptive monsters, longer runs, but also easier to get just what you want when you know where to look for it (which again leads to more competition in certain hexes). Seems gathering is becoming a bit more insteresting.

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
I'm not convinced that they need as many different crafting roles as they have. Perhaps one day, but at the moment, Seventeen crafting roles to support four adventure roles (and I'm not including Gathering) is extraordinarily heavy. It's putting a lot of strain on settlements to try to maintain all the roles they need if they hope to have decent gear.

"No company is an island"

(unless it's big enough to be a continent)

The current design is deliberately to force interaction between companies. You're not supposed to be able to maintain all roles without a bit of strain (just like no settlement have all the trainers).

Even if you have 17 dedicated crafters and a bunch of dedicated gatherers, you still won't find find all the resources you need within 10 hexes of your settlement. Deliberate?

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