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Shadow Knight 12 wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Shadow Knight 12 wrote:

If that's the case, I wish we had seen more of Riley doing that.

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As for the other part, the way I see it,

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Yrsa was working in a doctors office and happened upon Riley's medical tests or whatever then. Presumably EvilCorp monitors that information, and Yrsa just prevented them from getting wind of Riley. I never got a sense she was working for them.


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I love Dreamscarred Psionics, so I would honestly be annoyed if Paizo just tried to rehash 3.5 psionics into a new pathfinder book. Occult doesn't step on anyone's toes (mostly), and creates new material that can stand alongside Dreamscarred Press's work on psionics.


Shadow Knight 12 wrote:

If that's the case, I wish we had seen more of Riley doing that.

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As for the other part, the way I see it,

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Yrsa is not working for the evil corp or with Whispers. In fact she plainly states that contacting Riley in the present was a mistake, and that she was picking up and getting out of dodge to prevent Whispers from finding her.

Jonas on other hand...I think he is probably secretly working with Whispers. Will seems him strapped down, but since Will can contact him he HAS to put on a air of captivity.

At the best, Jonas is a magneto figure who might be against Whispers, but probably has his own not very nice agenda.


thejeff wrote:
Overwhelmingly the change in public opinion was pushed by gay people coming out and convincing their on-the-fence friends and families that they weren't some weird dangerous Others after all. Along with a similar process in the media, with celebrities that people already liked coming out and LGB characters becoming more prevalent. Scientific arguments...

Public opinion is really the most important thing here. All anyone has to look at is everything in the media dealing with climate change/vaccinations/GM foods/evolution to see that you can have an opinion strongly backed by a large body of scientific research and still have politics work against you.

Having studies backing your opinion is great, but unless you can also bring out the public support, it's unlikely you can overcome the existing inertia of laws and regulations. Gays have pretty much had that going for the last few decades, and Transpeople are also getting more support in the media.

To really start the process of legalizing marriages involving multiple consenting adults, you need to get more people to come out in support of such relationships to indicate that such relationships can be healthy and pedestrian, something that really hasn't happened yet. And you will need a lot of that to counter all the Warren Jeffs and people of similar ilk in the media


I admit I didn't like the fate of Androffa, mostly because we have already have Golarion as a standard fantasy world. I'd rather imagine it getting taken over by the Dominion or becoming some sort of Dystopian Empire. That Androffa is out there and MIGHT be searching for the Divinity I think just has more potential for future story telling.


Its a slow burn show, so it definitely takes a few episodes to get into.


Orfamay Quest wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


As for polygamy...Hypothetically I am all about extending those privileges. But...There is nowhere near enough support for that currently, and gay marriage doesn't really provide a precedent the way people thing it does. Also...to be fair I think a lot of polygamy is still bound up in some unhealthy ideas about women and patriarchy that I would rather see go away...
I agree with the general gist of your post but I can't figure out what you mean in the bold part. Which pro same-sex marriage argument is not also valid for polygamy.

Well in the case of legalizing gay marriage, it is an example of one group being denied a privilege that is legally always available for another. I.e. we grant straight couples the rights to marry (and all the associated benefits), but do not do the same for gay couples.

In contrast...no one, gay or straight, white or black, is allowed to marry multiple partners. You are not granting a special privilege to one group and not another. So I think its a lot harder to find a legal ground to dig in on.

That comes perilously close to a (specious) argument used against gay marriage.

"No one, gay or straight, white or black, is allowed to marry someone of the same sex; you are not granting a special privilege to one group and not another."

I see what you are saying, but I do think there is a difference. You are still using the law to deny a group of a basic right that both groups want. Whereas in altered example you provide you are depriving a group of something they would have no reason to ever want.

In the case of polygamy...there is just no legal basis anywhere in the law for marriages containing multiple people. You would probably need to first establish some baselines for multiple partners before you could lay the groundwork. And before you do that you would need polygamy to receive popular support and actually make it a national issue. There are gay people in every state of the union...I am not polygamy has that spread of occurrence.


Lord Snow wrote:


the Mormons' version of polygamy is far from the only viable approach to it and is, in fact, entangled with all other sorts of belief systems that complicate things.

You will agree that there is nothing wrong in principle with say four people deciding to bond the way two people more normally do, right? The law should allow for actions that are, in themselves, harmless. Even if doing them "wrong" could be harmful. That's why swimming is allowed despite having strong cause-effect relationships with drowning.

Here in the states...the largest groups that supports legalization of polygamy are the various Mormon splinter groups. So In affect it is really about Mormon (and also muslim) polygamy, since those are the groups with the largest numbers of polygamous proponents in the states.

I know there are polyamorous relationships composed of multiple men/women, where each person has an equal say in the relationship and feelings are shared amongst the entire group. I wouldn't mind granting marriage rights to people in such relationships. I just don't think that describes most polygamous relationships in the USA. I'd hazard a guess that, for many if not most of the mormon splinter sects, woman don't have a whole lot of say in their choices search of extra wives, and they certainly would not support a woman having multiple husbands.


Lord Snow wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


As for polygamy...Hypothetically I am all about extending those privileges. But...There is nowhere near enough support for that currently, and gay marriage doesn't really provide a precedent the way people thing it does. Also...to be fair I think a lot of polygamy is still bound up in some unhealthy ideas about women and patriarchy that I would rather see go away...
I agree with the general gist of your post but I can't figure out what you mean in the bold part. Which pro same-sex marriage argument is not also valid for polygamy.

Well in the case of legalizing gay marriage, it is an example of one group being denied a privilege that is legally always available for another. I.e. we grant straight couples the rights to marry (and all the associated benefits), but do not do the same for gay couples.

In contrast...no one, gay or straight, white or black, is allowed to marry multiple partners. You are not granting a special privilege to one group and not another. So I think its a lot harder to find a legal ground to dig in on.


In Nomi's case...the really triggery stuff is confined to the first couple of episodes, and a conversation she has with another sensate much later on (9?).

And yeah...Nomi's skills are pretty integral to the plot. Her and Will are pretty much the most integral drivers in the conspiracy plotline.


I kind of imagine Drow, in my own homebrew version of Golarion, as having a society not that dissimilar to that exhibited in The Purge movies. Drow day to day bottle up all their pathologies that would prevent them from functioning as a society. They then periodically let all those emotions out in quasi-regulated murderfests against their own kind.

Although I hate the "all members of a race are chaotic evil" trope, so it's really the nobles who are bad, and the commoners tend to suffer the most.


I admit, in my younger days I was all about kicking government out of the whole marriage business. However we really are several hundred years (if not longer) too late to keep marriages separate from government civil unions. There are just too many legal privileges and rules bound up with the definition of marriage to change at this point.

As for polygamy...Hypothetically I am all about extending those privileges. But...There is nowhere near enough support for that currently, and gay marriage doesn't really provide a precedent the way people thing it does. Also...to be fair I think a lot of polygamy is still bound up in some unhealthy ideas about women and patriarchy that I would rather see go away...


A playable 0HD Gnoll race is one of the races highlighted in the upcoming Kobold Publishing race hardcover. Probably worth a look at that book when its published if you want more gnolls as PC options.


So since the topic of Trans in the media came up, has anyone checked out netflix show Sense8? Two of the eight main characters are gay, and one is a transwoman. Both are pretty positive interpretations I think. Apparently Lana Wachowski channeled quite a bit of her experiences into the transwoman Nomi, and the whole show is just...awesome. I am going to flip all the tables if we don't get a season 2.


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I'd vote for Absalom, just because I think it has the most potential to make a really solid hardcover.


I don't have anywhere the time and money that some of you folks have for third party material.

That said...I really like that Dreamscarred has updated and kept alive 3.5 Psionics for use with Pathfinder, and I appreciate that Paizo has gone ahead and gone a separate path with Psychic magic.

Also all the work Kobold Press has done on Midgard. I think they did a great job on the flavor and races, and I find Midgard Dwarves and Kobolds far better than their interpretation of them in Golarion.

Right now I am most looking forward to Legendary Games Space Fantasy setting. Its a niche that is not really developed by anyone all that well, and reading the recent GRRM edited Mars and Venus anthologies has me psyched for this genre.


I am glad we are getting the Campaign Setting books for the major powers in the Inner Sea area. First Andoran, now Cheliax. Hopefully Taldor will show up next year.


Thomas Jones wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
The Unleashed books tend to be more encounter focused. Less playing around with a creature and describing there role in Golarion, and more "here a detailed NPC with lair/item/etc info
Have you all thought about releasing a "no frills" version of the revisited series. You could release pdf versions with no art-work. That was it would cost you all less money and fans of the revisited series could look forward to some future volumes

IIRC, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the costs of producing a pdf and a printed book. Most of the money goes into layout/writing/editing/art. On top of that...it still ends up taking up time that can be used for other books, in which case it would be better to just release it as a normal book than as extra work on the schedule in addition to all the other CS books

And art is a big seller for the books I think...I don't think they would go through and produce a book with no art, because the savings from not having to order art would not offset lost of customers who won't buy something with no art.

I mean don't get me wrong, The revisited books were some of my favorite campaign setting books. I would love for them to come back, especially as there are still plenty of creature types/niches to cover.


I think they gave away the twist because of fear the twist would tick people off. A good twist in a movie can lead to strong word of mouth and increase sales, but a bad one can cause people to hate the movie.

Also I thought I remember that the title mispelling was actually originally a typo, but it somehow got buzz and they decided to roll with it


I don't think the civil war movie will have a the same sort of superhero registration act as the comics, but will be more about the Avengers coming under the authority/administration of the government. THe superhero registration act doesn't much make sense without secret identities.


Well...I mean realistically they probably wouldn't....BUT

Drow are relatively isolated in the underdark, and while there are probably nastier things down there, they are probably even more reduced in numbers than Drow.

Drow are chaotic evil, but they seem to have enough cohesion as a culture to manage a united front against non-drow enemies.

anyway just some ideas on why they are still around. James Jacob would probably have other ideas too.


The Unleashed books tend to be more encounter focused. Less playing around with a creature and describing there role in Golarion, and more "here a detailed NPC with lair/item/etc info


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Its loaded with rock salt, or some sort of similar non lethal ordinance


GreyWolfLord wrote:


You could join the clergy though...that's one way in the US (I believe, not a member myself, but that's what I've heard) to not pay taxes!

I think religious institutions can be considered tax exempt, not individuals. There are plenty of cases of evangelists and religious folks who have tried to hide personal fortunes as "church property", only to end up in jail for tax fraud.


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I don't even understand how the authoritarian or greenpeace clubbing seals has anything whatsoever to do with climate change.

If the authoritarian comment is that government control of stuff is bad, that sort of negates all the examples where government stepping in and regulating/deregulating things has been considered good. People right now are decrying the legalization of gay marriage in the states as big government stepping in and getting in the way of gay rights. that is an authoritarian response that I think most posters here think is fair.

On environmental issues, There are plenty of government treaties and bans that have generally helped the environment. CITES for instance has done a lot in regulating the traffic of endangered species. There is still a black market and smuggling going on, but in many parts of the world it is less than it would be without CITES.

Greenpeace is pretty insignificant when it comes to influencing research. A lot of academics consider them a joke, and they certainly are not funding climate change research, at least on any significant level. That is in contrast to companies like BP oil, EXXON, etc, which often do provide large amounts of funding to university departments. My last graduate school department was geology and geophysics, and we were probably one of the best funded departments on campus thanks to donations from the energy industry. Yet somehow people in my department still worked on climate change related research.


Pan wrote:
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I wasn't expecting that. On the other hand, at this point I don't have any actual actual care or emotional investment in that particular character, so if I was suppose to feel anything more than "huh" than the show has failed in that regard.


Unfortunately, according to James Jacobs, the revisited series is on permanent suspension due to diminishing sales of the last few volumes.


With the exception of a very few days out of the year, Molly is basically immortal right? That's got to make her even more tougher to take down.


Okay just finished this series, which is truly awesome...

Anyway, random thoughts:

I didn't pick up any moment where Whispers would have been particularly easy to kill. And I agree with some others...we don't really know his full capabilities or the powers of a sensate. WE know he can puppeteer people for instance. Who knows what else he is capable of. Hell...he could be capable of body jumping for all we know, so putting a bullet in him would just result in him getting pissed off.

Also, yeah unfortunately Riley was the designated damsel in distress this season. Its possible however that next season we will figure out what role she will play in the cluster, and be able to more proactively contribute to the cluster's survival. Whether that is through some unrevealed background, experience with drugs, or development of powers beyond the other sensates, I have no clue.


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Molly would plain kick all their asses except maybe black staff and ancient mai. (Who is alluded to be being a dragon)

I thought that allusion thing was only in the TV show? Mai has a much smaller role in the books, and I can't recall any allusion to her being a dragon.


Yeah...Tons of characters caused a rather noticeable strain I think on Avengers 2 (45 minutes were cut from the movie), which makes me worry a bit about Civil War. I just hope that if the movie is overstuffed...they will just let it be a longer movie.


Indeed...Spiderman may very well be a glorified cameo in this movie. The fact that the casting announcement was made well after filming started suggests that he won't play a pivotal role in the movie.


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GreyWolfLord wrote:


Off topic...

Do you do research into the ocean climate change topics?

There's something that's been floating about that I've heard touched upon, but haven't gotten much information on as most of those I know research in other areas than Oceans and water.

I've heard that currently there is a thought (and research into it, but I haven't seen it) about how the oceans may be acting sort of like heat reservoirs, with the heat building up within them.

It's sort of like water insulation (some places use it as water is a great insulator in that it retains heat longer and can hold more energy in that way).

Have you heard of this and what impacts do you think or have you noticed that this is causing on the oceans themselves?

Sorry, off topic, but this is something that my slightly geeky side is sort of interested in.

My relatives closest thing would be involved with animal life in these areas, or the spread of pollutants and other items...not the heat transfer and absorption of the ocean itself and the effects it will or may have on the environment at large (though there is supposition that it will reach a breaking point and then the effects will be strongly felt). It's been touched upon but not gone into depth with me, and as it isn't there area of expertise I don't think they go into as much detail with it.

Just interested on more of a summation and summary of it.

Thanks.

My main research focuses on marine mammal evolution, principally seals but also whales (especially next year). A key interest of mind is biogeography, and for marine mammals that is heavily controlled by sea surface temperature and productivity. So I spent a decent amount of time looking up how sea surface temperature and productivity has changed over time. For instance, for most of the Neogene, there was pretty much a stable band of tropical water around the equator. This produced a sort of wall which prevented different groups, such as sea lions and fur seals, from spreading south from the North Pacific. That wall was "breached" so to say around the Miocene-Pliocene boundary, and a few times later on in the Pliocene and Pleistocene, when equatorial waters cooled and productivity increased. We can easily see this in the fossil record of both hemispheres, as well as marine mammal distribution today.

I think I have heard some stuff similar to what you describe for ocean water temperature, but it's more along the lines that the ocean is so big it actually takes a while to get a "shift" in temperature, when compared to land or air. Most of the stuff I have seen and remember revolves around ocean acidity (more CO2 -> greater acidity -> bad news for anything with a carbonate skeleton, like corals) and the fact that increased temperature leads to increased evaporation which in turn magnifies the greenhouse effect.


Choice of director is less a big deal in Marvel anyway because Fiege and co heavily manage every movie anyway, and have pretty much complete control of the script.


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PIXIE DUST wrote:

Well in some cases, it really is...

The zealot is the worst offender of this. Like a good half to 3/4 of it's talents literally ripped word for word out of the Inquisitor Class. There is barely any difference between the Zealot and the Inquisitor.

Also, it feels like many of the problems are being not really being addressed. For instance, the Talent Starved nature of the Vigilante. We are instead told that there will be even more talents AND most likely no "Extra talent" feat. This is something a lot of people don't understand since Oracles, Magus, Witches, Barbarians, Alchemists, and Arcanists have.

Yes...but you have personally already stated this...How many times? The devs have stated they read through all of the posts in this forum. Do you think repeating the same critique 3 or 4 times, that on the fourth time the Developers will suddenly go "OMG WE NEED TO FIX THE ZEALOT"?

I mean I don't even disagree with you on the zealot needing more options to make itself distinct. But me posting that 20 times...is not going to magically cause the developers to respond, and I think in unison with other posters as well as the..tone...which often accompanies posts like these. It doesn't actually help anyone, and may even hurt the class by causing subconscious push back from the developers and driving playtesters away before they even look at the class.

Also it's been...a weeks since the playtest started? What makes you think the developers are not working on solutions? I mean there were people criticizing the lack of developer response the day after the playtest.


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William Ronald wrote:

Often, I blame the parents for making poor choices. When I saw The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the ring, someone brought in a very young child. The child screamed when the Balrog appeared. I fear the child must have had nightmares for weeks.

However, the two worst offenders were two grown men who started fighting with each other before a children's movie that I was at with my nephew. I felt embarrassed by their actions. I think that explaining the expectations at a theater is a good idea early on in life. Sadly, some people act as if they are the only people at the movies.

Oh yeah. Best example of that was a husband and wife who decided to bring there two young children to KILL BILL VOLUME ONE. That family didn't last through the anime sequence before they had to leave.

Seriously folks...in the age of the internet its not that hard to research a movie before you go and see it.


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I don't think theorycrafting is bad, however sometimes the tone used in some posts about theorycrafting...are not conducive to further discussion. Posting your initial thoughts on a class is good. Posting your initial thoughts, in a slighty rephrased manner, multiple of times and in multiple threads...is less useful. It comes across as shouting.

Doing the above, but then also including phrases like "garbage", "pathetic" or similar phrasings and descriptive terminology and exaggerations. Or slamming the devs, and demanding they respond to you. Well whatever you are doing, its certainly not constructive criticism.

Honestly I think the above just burns out the devs, who do read everything here. and contrary to what some posters may think, it certainly doesn't make them more likely to accept your "words of wisdom" on class options.


Rosc wrote:
This actually leads into something I've been wondering: is it possible to have a Vigilante identity that worships (and gains mechanical benefits from) a deity who's alignment is incompatible with the secret identity? Because I would love to use an NPC who seems to be a (neutral) good man, but under the right circumstances he prowls the night doing the (un)holy work of Father Skinsaw.

I think that would be a good idea for an archetype, but maybe not something baked into the default vigilante chassis.


People do replicate the various studies that have gone into understanding how our climate works, via reanalysis of data using new methods, addition or use of alternative data sets, and tweaking models to include additional parameters. I come across dozens of papers a year in various journals and from various research groups looking at how climate change work, and that is me just looking for paper relevant to my own research interests in ocean climate change over the Neogene.


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Whoohooo. Gay Marriage is legal in all 50 states!

Although the dissenting opinions from the conservative judges are full of the STUPID.


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Anyway to the original subject (and speaking broadly of conspiracies, not just specifically climate change), I blame the following:

1. Dismal science education in this country. A lot of students are just not getting the background necessary to evaluate a source and determine if its legitimate or not.

2. The human tendency for indoctrination. Many people have a set of beliefs that have been imparted upon them at an early age. These beliefs are often wrapped up with political and religious ideas, and people don't want their ideas of their place in the universe challenged. In fact challenging them on these ideas just usually makes them dig in harder

3. Media's desire for conflict and "every story has two sides". This means that even when an idea has almost unanimous support (say, dinosaurs being the ancestors of birds...), the Media will go and search out someone to disagree with whatever finding is being published. On a similar note, studies that are widely considered to be crap (Say, Triassic Kraken art) get reported on even though their authors are considered cranks.

4. Overall poor ethics and training of science reporters. Reducing new science to soundbites, which may loose any of the subtlety of the original findings and even outright get things wrong. Especially if they try to go for a click bait headline. Add in that science journalists are dying out and many news stories get covered by people with no background makes things worse

5. Money. Organizations and companies with an agenda do not want to loose money or public support. Often they can inundate the media with misleading adds or buy off politicians. Even if the company goes under or changes its mind, they create a base for future believers to draw upon.

6. People are lazy. Telling people that they should change their lifestyle meets resistance, and people will look for any justification to continue whatever habits, no matter how self destructive it may be, or what long term risks it poses.


thaX wrote:

The last Ice Age was started by an asteroid hitting the earth, spitting up a ton of ash and knocking the planet off it's axis. I doubt seriously if gassy cars and farting cows can even compare to that.

This is very, very wrong.

The asteroid probably caused a short nuclear winter of a few years, but nothing significant or long lasting. Certainly there is no evidence of any glaciation or ice sheet formation, and we have a good record for this interval in the high Arctic. In fact, the Cretaceous was actually a time of cooler climate than the subsequent Paleocene which saw alligators and palms trees above the arctic circle. It certainly didn't lead to the earth being thrown off its axis.

The Ice Ages of the Pleistocene (which only started 2.6 million years ago, versus 65 million years when dinosaurs died out) were caused by changes in plate tectonics which altered ocean currents and airflow patterns, as well predictable and cyclical changes in earth orbit which lead to decreased solar radiation.


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thaX wrote:

Please forgive me for saying this, but the first Spider-Man, Toby, seemed like the worst casting ever, even after seeing the movies.

Movies are good, but the sourpuss look and rolling of the eyes was a bit over the top. I liked the actor in the Amazing movies, but the whole "Peter's Parents" thing was a big head scratcher.

I hope they don't go through yet another "origin" recounting in the next film.

IIRC, They have already stated that the movie starts with Spiderman being powered and fighting crime.

And yeah I think Garfield was actually a better Spiderman than Maguire. Although one and two had far better plots and villains.


Malwing wrote:


I still believe that if the class is simply 'someone with an alter ego' the class doesn't have much reason to exist as anything more than a feat or two. I don't see vigilante as someone with just an alter ego but as someone who has a reason definite drive to have an alter ego especially with vigilantism often stemming from some crime or wrongdoing or another. People are driven to vigilantism, otherwise they're...

A lot of classes however could be argued to be redundant and could just be done with existing classes/multiclassing. Usually they exist because they are custom designed for their niche.

In the case of Vigilante, it's design from the ground up is based off of having an alter ego. Other characters can have alter egos, but Vigilante should be the easiest to mechanically fulfill that option with the least fuss. If it isn't fulfilling that goal, than the social persona and such needs to be buffed or redesigned...not the flavoring.

Also, I think a serious argument could be made that by fitting origin stories with certain mechanics, you are going to produce a class that is going to close off a lot of options for players on its release. As an example, just looked at the unchained summoner, which enforces specific outsider types on the eidolon. There was limited room for different outsider types, and many of those types have limits on options available to them. A lot of summoner ideas available in the "old" version of the class are difficult or impossible to pull off in the new version. I don't see how something similar won't happen with any sort of origin mechanics, which will have to share room in the book with a long list of talents and similar vigilante options.


Malwing wrote:
MMCJ wrote:
I don't really like the origins idea either, for similar reasons to Epic Meepo. Also I think it constrains the class too much to superhero characters, whereas the class as is also works pretty well for espionage, guerrilla, and cultist characters
I think that would be fine if not for that an origin would justify why the dual identity is a central class feature. I feel that otherwise the class is one feat and some skill ranks and not really capable of standing on its own legs. I want to preserve the concept of a dual identity but for it to be extreme enough to be a defining class feature I think it should be implied that the vigilante persona is a reactionary product to set it apart from other classes. Basically I want the class to become someone else as opposed to disguise himself.

The dual identity is a set of mechanics to support alter egos. I don't think they need special justification anymore than a high level character needs special justification on they can survive falling a mile and then getting back up and fighting. Beyond that, I don't really want to turn every vigilante into someone with some flavor of multiple personality disorder. My character might want to play a dashing masked hero at night out of a sense of adventure and justice, not because of some traumatic event.

It should DO the alter ego thing better than anyone else, but I am not sure the origins help that. Rather it would be better if the social mode got furthered buffed by talents and further specialization for infiltration and espionage.


Trekkie90909 wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I don't really like the origins idea either, for similar reasons to Epic Meepo. Also I think it constrains the class too much to superhero characters, whereas the class as is also works pretty well for espionage, guerrilla, and cultist characters
Origin stories also work for mundane espionage, guerrilla, and cultist characters who come out as Shield/MI V agents, Terrorists, and evil cultists with backstories and a central theme.

Every character in the game has an origin story than. I don't necessarily see a need to make it special for the Vigilante.


A politics forum would just be a graveyard of closed threads. I have yet to see ANY controversial non-gaming/genre thread not get closed when debate got too heated or was about to.


ShinHakkaider wrote:


You really, REALLY cant trust the gossip you hear about the behind the scenes stuff and especially how and if it impacts the finished product. There are some pretty damn good movies out there that had very difficult shoots because of the directors / stars whatever.

MAD MAX: FURY ROAD is a recent example of a film whose budget was spiraling out of control and the two leads (Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron) who did not exactly get along.

We can go back to the rumors about James Cameron shooting the Abyss with Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio who pretty much said that they never wanted to work with Cameron again after that.

TITANIC won all the awardz and praise but almost no one remembers that movie's budget spiraling out of control and cast and crew members saying that Cameron was out of control and that is was going to be a disaster. All of the Entertainment rags picked that up and ran with it until the day of it's release: and then?

CRICKETS.

Eh...I already was sort of meh on the movie at best based on trailers and interviews with the director (Blogger Doom, dark tone, constant references to Cronenberg, etc). Fox has been...maybe 50/50 at best with superhero flicks IMHO. So I have a greater degree of skepticism about this movie than about practically any other superhero movie coming out in the near future.

Anyway we only have a little more than a month before we know if it going to suck or not.


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I can't say, even with the large number of movies I see in the theater, have I ever had much of a problem with kids. Obnoxious teens/adults have been more a problem in my opinion.


Hama wrote:
I just can't get into it. I don't know why.

This season or the show in general?

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