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Go old school and convert the 3.5 Dungeon mag adventure path Savage Tide. It's too fun not to run through and there is thorough posting on this site about the problem areas and how to correct some of the problematic higher-level stuff.
Diseased Savage Monkeys are too awesome not to unleash upon a group that may have never see such....

Plastic tool and screw/nail organizers work really well and you can label the chambers with sharpies to tell what minis are where without having to root around. Any soft foam can serve to cushion and line the box to keep metal minis from being damaged.
The best part.....they are cheap and they come in a huge variety of sizes and configurations so they can meet whatever need you have.
Lowes or Home Depot. Good luck.

You can't is the proper answer....even fantasy RPGs see archery as a stand still and shoot with a quiver of arrows type of combat style. I think 5E has a better chance of getting close though with movement being something that can be broken up any way you want with attacks spaced within the movement wherever you wish.

Hmmmmm, official announcement doesn't mention anything about the Adventurers Handbook. Looks like there will be a free PDF with adventure-specific player options, instead. The Princes of the Apocalypse HC will include "new elemental spells and the element-touched genasi as a new playable race," and the free download will include "more new races plus the player content available in Princes of the Apocalypse."

http://dnd.wizards.com/elemental-evil

Not bad.

Adventurers Handbook is scrapped. Mike Mearls made several statements about how Wizards sometimes make plans that change and that mock-ups and proposed covers are not necessarily a guarantee that a product is getting made.

Ascalaphus wrote:

Alchemical Allocation is pretty powerful, in that it basically makes something free that would otherwise be living beyond your means (regular use of higher-level potions). I'm not convinced publishing it was a good move. Of course, now that it exists, I'm using it too.

And then there's this Elixir. I'm fairly confident that whoever wrote the elixir, and whoever wrote Alchemical Allocation, did not expect those two to be used. I mean, now that both of them exist, it makes sense to use it, but it's not likely something that the writer(s) planned. It's just an unexpected combination.

I can see how a GM would be frustrated that you bypassed an adventure. The first time, it'd be annoying but the right thing to do would be to say "well, I didn't see that coming.. you're not getting loot from the encounters you never ran into of course, but you're well on your way with your main mission". The second time, he could've been ready for it;

- You still actually need to get to the hostage. He could plan the challenge of the adventure more around getting in than around getting out.

- You might have encounters on the shadow plane. And given how you're getting there at relatively low level, that could be scary.

- Since you don't have a lot of control on where you exit, you might stumble into a random encounter on exit. That could just be a fight, but it could also be something more creative, like in the middle of a tense negotiation between two organized crime cartels. Who now both think the others hired the PCs for a double-cross, so there's this confusing three-way battle.

Have to agree with this. Part of the GM's job is to roll with the punches when your players come up with something legitimately clever.

Yup, too often GMs use "No" as their answer to rolling with the punches or they just plain ban stuff. I can understand that they don't want to be steamrolled but a good GM would find a countermeasure and use it sparingly to show that there is some risk to using a certain action....not that they should constantly use the countermeasure but slip it in enough that the PC knows that the exploit isn't free and without risks.

That's a mace. Morningstar is a mace with a chain attaching the ball to the stick instead of directly.

Not correct per Pathfinder/3.5...a morningstar is a shaft with a spikey round head, a mace is a shaft with a variety of different head styles, usually fluted. A flail is like either but with a head attached to the shaft by a length of chain.

Another older player here. I started playing D&D in 1974. I'm 56 :) 5E is looking pretty good. For me, it's about the world and the adventure, not the perfect character build.

I started in '79 and I feel the same way...the personality I instill in the character has more to do with who he/she is than any mechanics. I love the options presented in 5E and think that they make a great base to build on. I find the game to be quick, fun and easy to play. This is a welcome relief after spending huge tracts of time creating PCs, NPCs, and customizing monsters. I haven't DMed 5e much but I find that enjoyable also.

I prefer games where you spend more time adventuring with the character than creating him / leveling him up.

Also agreed...the games I have played in 5E have awesome pacing to them and at the end of a night I feel like we have accomplished something and advanced the storyline well. In 3.5/Pathfinder I found that often a whole night was spent clearing 2-3 rooms of a dungeon and it sometimes took weeks to get out of dungeon combat mode and into some story advancement.

David Bowles wrote:

SR went from shutting down spells to giving "advantage" on saving throws. Another gutted ability in 5th.

3.0 also gutted Spell Resistance. It was much stronger in all the pre-d20 editions, which you have made perfectly clear that you hold in complete contempt.

Of course, I"m making the assumption you actually know anything about them and aren't just mindlessly hating them because they aren't 3.x/PFRPG. Something I've seen on these boards a few times.

Also if we look at advantage/disadvantage the numbers are roughly a +4.5 or -4.5 on average which is a pretty nice bonus to saves. I found the older version of the caster rolling to overcome was usually just a matter of rolling higher than a 5 in most cases if you built to be fairly decent at overcoming SR. I like 5E's approach because it steamlines the mechanical aspect while making it a significant boost.

Laurefindel wrote:

David Bowles wrote:

I'm mostly dismayed at how much play testing and development went into 5th and that the final result is so underwhelming.

David, stating your opinion is one thing, trolling is another... please cut it out.

There's a fine line, isn't there?

Yeah, back about 10 pages of puking on anyone's opinion that likes 5E was the line.

David Bowles wrote:

"since your PCs aren't going to be facing creatures built using the PC rules which probably changes the analysis "

Why not? It doesn't make any sense not to fight other PC classes. PCs are not unique in the world. Throwing that out is a mistake, I think. It also ties the GM's hand in terms of fighting fire with fire when it comes to PC builds.

Whatever ones preferences, that's not how 5E is designed to work. It doesn't have the same simulationist approach that pathfinder does in that realm.

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"The classes which "lose" multiple attacks "gain" other features and it's difficult to view one feature in isolation (it's not right to consider the various class features as a change - its a different approach to encapsulating a similar concept)"

I'm not sure how anyone can claim that the cleric didn't lose way more than it gained from PF.

My point is that there wasn't a switch from pathfinder to 5E. They're two different approaches to representing similar concepts.

The risk in thinking of it as a change from the pathfinder default is you focus on one difference and interpret it as a "reduction in power" based on how that feature would work if it were imported to a pathfinder game.

I have a friend tossing up between rogue and fighter, for example. He's building spreadsheets, running simulations and doing what he enjoys with character building. The fighter gets more attacks than the rogue, yet the rogue can out damage the fighter (just) - paying for that damage in a reduced survivability. It's not immediately obvious that the two classes' DPRs are going to track so similarly. He hasn't got any interest in a cleric, so I haven't seen similar analysis - nonetheless, I'd be willing to bet there's some feature a 5E cleric gets that a pathfinder cleric doesn't which mitigates the lack of multiple attacks.

Well said and this covers most of my 5E experience so far. It is a different game and saying "allowing movement between the various attacks is powerful and uber" is flat out wrong because in 5E it is balanced. In Pathfinder it would be broken without overhauling the rules a bit to incorporate it.

i wish people would stop hating on 5E without even trying it....just go through the introductory adventure that takes you from 1st to 5th level and you will have a great idea on how well the system performs as a whole. It is elegant, fun, and fast in combat. I also love that the game gives a bit more creative license back to the DM....it's refreshing.

captain yesterday wrote:

i like the picture of the halfling in the player's handbook, makes me laugh every time i see it at the bookstore:-)

Yeap, I laugh too as I toss the book on the shelf and pass on buying it.

I hated 4E, but I gave 5E a chance and I am glad I did. If you pass it up for a drawing without even looking at it, then you do yourself an injustice and should be cursing your closed-mind. It isn't perfect but is a good game with some good ingenuity and some nice mechanics. I was staunchly Pathfinder and now I am swayed to 5E and it's elegant simplicity and a return to D&D.

My DM is having us make perception checks throughout combat, not just during surprise. Three rounds in the people in the back still need to make perception checks to see if they can see the bad guy thats been fighting their buddies....
I will have to remember that about Dwarven vision though. It's really irritating how much they keep changing that from edition to edition...I still remember infravision and such...

But if the same sort of situations came up in one of my games, say a PC wanted to "notice" an enemy approaching and there were people between the PC and the enemy (a crowd, friends, whatever) I would categorize the DC of the active Skill Check as either Medium DC 15(2-10 people)or Hard Dc 20 (11+ people) and then apply Disadvantage to the roll if the conditions of Light or such things as smoke or fog applied

So you would rule that in a lit room your 2 allies being between you and an enemy 20 feet away would require a DC 15 perception check to even see that the enemy is there? That seems a bit harsh and would make bars and malls IRL really odd places.

So on the vision thingy- If I am a dwarf standing 10 feet in front of my human friend who is carrying a light source giving off 20 feet of light, I can see 10 feet in the light and then 50 feet with darkvision, or can I only see 10 feet and after that darkvision is nulled because the light is within my square?

Are these things that your DM has said happen? Or are these things you think should be happening but the DM doesn't?

The DM is currently ruling in these ways and I have only seen rules that contradict those rulings....it's frustrating me because I really am trying to stay as close to real rules as possible as we test the system but some of these "houseruley" type of rulings just seem to be slowing down the game and adding in weirdness by making people have to make odd checks to move through allies squares and even seeing if there is an enemy 20 feet away if an ally or 2 are in between the looker and the enemy. I want to gather information to present actual rule info when the weirdness pops up next.

Also what about soft cover or targeting enemies with allies in between you and the enemy? Is there a rule that either gives an advantage/disadvantage or something?
My DM has been running pretty loose on the rules and I want to iron some of this out so I can play the game by the rules instead of by some loose houserules if at all possible.

Is there a rule about making a perception check or something to see an enemy when there is an ally or 2 between you and the enemy?
What about darkvision, does a torch in the area totally negate it or does it work outside of the torch area?
How about moving through a friendly pc's space during combat, is there a check to do it or is it ok as long as you don't end movement in an occupied square?

I'm sorry to say this but as soon as any person says "Quit being a baby" when I express dislike of a ruling or gaming situation I am done with that person. Who the f**k thinks they can talk to someone like that without a bunch of players that don't want to play with a bully GM? Even if I was one of the other players in the game I would have been out, how dare you disrespect and degrade another player in front of everyone...I don't want to around people like this in a paying job or life in general, why the hell would I put up with that treatment during my fun recreational time.
Most of my old groups would have banded together and told him to leave. We play a co-op game, not a GM is God VS the players.

I want to run rise of the rune lords but my players don't seem to be intrested in playing a prewrittin campange what can I do to intice them a bit more

Sandpoint can be an excellent sandbox to start with...it is a town with a lot going on in and around it. A little bit of prep work can make it more accessible as an open area with some good leads to draw them in different directions. Write up an old fashioned flow chart with all the stuff in the area and any possible side leads....then you can see things clearer and adjust to the party roaming the town exploring as they wish.

The 5E PHB and MM did not disappoint me; I have no reason to believe the 5E DMG would, either.

On the other hand, if they truly do miss the mark as completely as you fear, I'm reminded of Hanlon's Razor (though I'd substitute "incompetence" for "stupidity.")

I agree. I am loving the PHB and MM, I can't imagine the DMG being a sudden departure from what is already laid out. I will wait until I hold it, have read through it, and have used some of it in game before I condemn it....5e thus far has earned the benefit of the doubt to me.

Had a dog chew up 15-20 of my Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance novels.... He grew out of that kinda stuff though rather quick and was a pretty cool dog, a basset hound with 10" long ears. Broke my heart when she passed. Long-bodied and barrel-chested dogs sometime have their stomachs twist up on them pinching off blood vessels and their throat and intestines. I learned about that from her on Christmas night 2007.
Ah well, I still have a few of the half-chewed reminders lying around sans covers and mostly unimportant pages to remind me of the little darling.

If a friend of 25 years walks out over something that had this much meaning to you then I would seriously re-evaluate the friendship and see where it actually ended, because it's been over for a while if it ever really was in the first place. A friendship is about give and take and compromise, like any relationship.

I love the one post that says "i told him not to turn to page 74!"...too funny. Much respect for a man who wrote books that not only helped foster a love of reading in me but expanded my sense of fantasy, make-believe, and creativity. Thank you for entertaining your passion and entertaining my younger mind. I am saddened but glad to know that the legacy is passed on to my kids....
If you agree with this post turn to page 93.
If not turn to page 4.

I love my daughter. I can't wait until she's old enough to play.

That said, I also love a beer-fueled adult game, full of moral ambiguities, insanely convoluted plot lines, savage revenge, all kinds of NC-17 goings-on offstage, etc. And I would not really want her playing in such a game at age 12. I would not want to forcibly mix the two, or dilute the one, or whatever.

Instead, I would try like hell to have two separate games, one PG-13 and one R, if you will.

Explaining to the 12-year-old that there are two different games, one which he's allowed to play, and one that he's not, shouldn't be too different than explaining why he's not allowed to watch movies with "Emmaneulle" in the title. Yeah, it's slightly awkward, but doable.

*Wall O' Text*

I would also suggest that maybe you run a once a month game in place of the regular game where the kid can play with the group, and ask the group to help make him into a good player by offering RP tips, tactical suggestions, helping with attentiveness and good sportsmanship....if it works out over the course of a couple months and the players are feeling good about his gameplay then adding him to the regular group would be much better received and the transition much easier. If it doesn't work out after a few sessions then you can drop the once a month thing and wait until the kid is more ready. During the time, after games, offer your boy gentle critiques on his behavior, how he RPed, social cues and such....remember that we all had to develop to be good gamers (and some are still having issues with it after years of gaming!) and that you and your friends are trying to make a good gamer. A lot of people wish they had a good system of guidance to help them become good gamers instead of trial and error until we got better.

I would love to play a "low magic" magic game, but i guess i simple don't have the time for it.

I often wonder if what many GMs really wanted is a SLOWER game, where people has time to discuss the lore about that +1 longsword, or tracking over half the kingdom a potion seller who has potions of cure moderate wounds. After years and years of campaing, people deserve to be teleporting around the continent because they already been everywhere.
Some people long for a more literally game how was played back then in 1E. But nowdays everything is fastpaced, you didn't even used that 3rd level spell and you already learning the 4th.

I guess it's sad.

Yup, pcs can hit 20th level in a couple of months of adventuring. I love a slower paced game. I liked the years of campaigning to get a character to grow. Everyone seems to be on a "1-20 in as quick a timeframe as possible then onto the next PC". We used to cherish the journey and now it seems to be all about the destination. It is sad...and I have seen quite a few times where I got new shiny abilities without using the ones gained 2 sessions ago when I leveled before. I want a slow burn, lots of downtime, not gaining 2-3 levels in one adventure/dungeon. Even on slow XP rate it isn't slow enough for me. I want to play once a week for 3-4 hours each time and take a year to get to level 6. Another year to get to 12....I want to invest in my PC instead of keep wishing for more and more faster and faster until I wish my PC into retirement because the campaign was over so quick....

Dazing Metamagic rod instead of Extend....that's all.

Great question, Ragnarok.

I started playing D&D way back in the red box days.

We moved on to AD&D, then 2nd Edition, then 3rd Edition. When 4th Edition rolled around, I and my gaming group (mostly friends from college by that point) decided it wasn't for us and liked the feel of Pathfinder more.

I guess you could say it felt like a better progression of the rules to us.

I personally liked how PF guided players away from multiclassing mayhem, beefed up some classes that needed it (sorcerer, for example), and rewrote some of the more problematic 3.5 options such as the Scout class in order to bring them back down to earth.

Today we play Pathfinder because we're still running one campaign that started about three years ago, and the other GM who is just starting out is using PF because he's most comfortable with it. The general consensus seems to be that we're getting ready to move on to 5th Edition D&D, though.

PF has just become too "bloated" for our tastes -- there are many ways to describe this, but the one that comes to mind first (because I've been doing it this week) is that it takes forever to pore over every PF book that exists trying to build characters for fear of missing some interesting or competitive option. Don't look at me like that -- if there's ONE powergamer at the table, EVERYONE has to be one or they'll be swimming in his wake the entire campaign.

So, the short answer would be -- I switched to PF because I didn't like what I saw in 4e, but I expect I'll soon be switching to 5e because I'm seeing it as a possible refinement of PF, or maybe a palatable synthesis of 3.5 and 4e, as I realize PF has grown to have lost much of what I liked about it in the first place.

I switched to 5e a couple months ago and it is refreshing....the bloat from PF made higher level games a grind and lower levels were a constant scouring of books so you didn't miss something that your character would love. I may look at Pathfinder 2 when/if it comes out but D&D 5 would have to really make some mistakes with splatbooks to lose me now.

I am gonna be running a one-shot for Next week, 5E, and I need 7 or 8 pregens for the game....
I am looking for odd combos of race and class, 3rd level, with basic equipment...
Any help would be welcome. For stats I want to stick with the basic array in the PHB.
Thanks!

What I want to know is, does it rhyme with "Zebu?"

And more importantly is a Zebu the same as a "Cebu?

Fake Healer wrote:

I didn't have a Phantom Cat instance but I remember something distinctly when I was younger, around 6 or so, and we lived in an old 2-story farmhouse in South Jersey. I woke up one night, looked across my room and saw my Lion piggy-bank(Cartoony character, not a realistic lion) climb down off of my dresser, using the handles of the drawers to climb down. I was terrified and it felt like my throat was paralyzed and my body refused to move. I could hear it coming across the wooden floor to my bed. I felt the pull of the covers at my feet where it had grabbed them and started pulling itself up onto my bed. Then I heard the sound of ceramic tinking against my footboard as it hauled itself up and I finally was able to scream and I continued until my mother and father were both in the room holding me as I cried hysterically. They asked me what was wrong and when I could speak enough I said "my lion-bank was coming to get me..." they looked at my dresser and didn't see it then they looked around the room. It was lying on floor by the foot of my bed.

I slept with them for several weeks after that. I had several weird things happen in that house while we lived there but nothing that was so real and that stuck with me in such detail. I don't know if it was a creative nightmare or something else but I am open to the possibilities...

Poor kitteh just wanted to be petted.

I explain it away in my rationality as I must have dreamed it after messing with my Lion-bank and leaving it on the floor and my dream used that....but I don't remember messing around with the Lion-bank before and it was always on my dresser, complete with dust-ring around it.

I didn't have a Phantom Cat instance but I remember something distinctly when I was younger, around 6 or so, and we lived in an old 2-story farmhouse in South Jersey. I woke up one night, looked across my room and saw my Lion piggy-bank(Cartoony character, not a realistic lion) climb down off of my dresser, using the handles of the drawers to climb down. I was terrified and it felt like my throat was paralyzed and my body refused to move. I could hear it coming across the wooden floor to my bed. I felt the pull of the covers at my feet where it had grabbed them and started pulling itself up onto my bed. Then I heard the sound of ceramic tinking against my footboard as it hauled itself up and I finally was able to scream and I continued until my mother and father were both in the room holding me as I cried hysterically. They asked me what was wrong and when I could speak enough I said "my lion-bank was coming to get me..." they looked at my dresser and didn't see it then they looked around the room. It was lying on floor by the foot of my bed.
I slept with them for several weeks after that. I had several weird things happen in that house while we lived there but nothing that was so real and that stuck with me in such detail. I don't know if it was a creative nightmare or something else but I am open to the possibilities...

Malag wrote:

@OP

While it might be true to what you say, per default game rules, nothing is sure. Cities usually have written "2d6 minor magical items, 1d6 major magical items, etc." which they currently have. These are default game rules for settlements and if GM decides to enforce it, it can change game direction a lot. Players will have to buy whatever is currently available or sit on their cash hoard and wait, hoping to get lucky.

Or take crafting feats and simply break the WBL standards. I'd much rather have whatever I want freely available than have someone take crafting feats and then simply buy whatever I want for half price.

Which is exactly what the players do when the GM implements the true "magic items available" rule.....

For the record, the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a combo of Player's Handbook and DMG in one book. There is a huge amount of difference in how D&D separates the books and how Pathfinder decided to go. I absolutely agree that the price of the new D&D books is outrageous but content-wise you can't compare the 2. D&D 3.5 had prestige classes, traps, poisons, magic items, and a bunch of other stuff in the DMG while the Players handbook was core classes, races, basic equipment, and stuff. If you want to compare Pathfinder core to D&D 5 for content you need to compare Player's handbook and DMG together to the core.

5e has more class and race choices in the PHB than Pathfinder has in the CRB.

This exactly. And as far as I have seen every one is a viable choice. It also sets a premise for future books to follow of offering up different racial and class-specific options....as long as they don't keep pushing the power level up to negate or outshine the original ones. I am looking for to seeing how they approach the classes and races in the future, it should be pretty cool to see, but I see a ton of diversity just in the PHB even if you don't include the optional "feats" part of the book.

I think there's already been discussions about this.

So don't link to them or anything...just pop on and threadcrap away.

To the OP, I love what 5e has done with casters and I would just say Yes. Yes to anything and everything that 5e changed, port it all over and add it to Pathfinder....however you are going to get resistance from players that like being wizzo-gods. I took another path. My group just straight-up switched to 5e and we are loving it. The game is fast, simple and easy to play and everyone is feeling like an equal part of the game instead of one or two players with uber-game mastery or an interweb-build of destruction being the main reason the party stays alive.

Other than that, you could shoehorn in parts of the system into the existing but I doubt that many players are going to like it and you are left with a mish-mash of game rules that weren't meant to coexist. It will take a lot of tweaking to make them run smoothly together imo.

Thanks for the list, it should help. Also I am seeing the Assassin archetype for rogues has an ability that gives him an advantage when he has surprise on a foe(like in the surprise round) so I am guessing that normally surprising someone in the surprise round doesn't give advantage to the attacker otherwise that ability wouldn't be very special.
A rogue can also get sneak attacks off without advantage if an ally is within 5' of the target apparently but it isn't an advantage situation....makes getting the sneak damage easier but without an advantage. Interesting....
I wonder what the average of 2d20 drop the lowest is but I don't know the formula to figure it out....I wouldn't mind knowing what the average bonus/penalty would be from Advantage/Disadvantage.

So my group is playing 5E and we are enjoying it very much. I am not seeing us using the Advantage/Disadvantage system much though and I want to figure out why.
The actual rules surrounding when they should be used seems to be mostly "when the DM determines you have one". It doesn't clearly define when to use them though.
Here are some questions:
*Is it basically a replacement mechanic for +2/-2 adjustments?
*If you are a rogue using your sneak attack do you get advantage?
*Does higher ground/lower ground trigger use of Adv/Disadv?
*How about surprise round? Does everyone participate in combat on the surprise round with the surpriser getting advantage on attacks and the surprised getting disadvantage?
*How would this work with skills?

I really like the rule but it is so vague on when to use it that it almost doesn't seem to exist in my game currently and that is really a shame. I want to rectify this.

Yea, now we can have portable nuclear bombs all over instead of just located at big reactors. I am sure that the corporations will follow all the proper (and expensive) protocol to keep such things secure and protected as they have proven how responsible they are no matter the cost.

Just a side note, how in the hell is a mini reactor in the Sahara to pump water any different than a solar-powered pump? How does that change the world in a way no other power source has managed? It will still be expense and if a village can't afford a solar grid to power a pump station then I doubt they are gonna suddenly find the funds to go with fusion.

I am sure that once this tech is viable it will disappear into some government warehouse, like the carburetor that made regular cars get 100+mpg, and cars that ran on distilled water....big oil is not gonna allow a tech to show up that will hit their pockets. They will toss millions at the right politicians to make this story and the tech slowly fade away.

OK, so I have been in Celebration for a while, gamed with some people up in Orlando but it is too far away and was on a bad night/time for me.

I have 2 other people in Celebration and we are now a group of 3, we could use around 1-3 more people that are in or around Celebration. We are primarily Pathfinders but the new D&D 5th edition rules look fun so we are open to that also.
Post here if Celebration is within range for you and you want to game.

UPDATE: We are a good-sized group, looking to expand still if anyone is interested. We also have branched out and are looking to have our group(s) do things like a game night where we bring different games, invite the public and get some newbs playing Settlers of Catan, History of the World or some such and still have a group or 2 that get together for RPGs. Right now the group is mostly focused on RPGs and D&D 5th Edition in the game. We are enjoying it immensely and would welcome any who wish to join.

Yes! I was trying to mentally control all birds and make them poop on people's heads today! A little more practice and my minions will be ready for my bid for world domination....

Lets try to make this clearer so its understandable

Example 1

-I have prepared quickened fireball
-I have prepared quickened create pit

This are my only remaining spells, i cant cast them both because i only have one swift action.

Example 2

-I have prepared fireball
-I have prepared quickened create pit

I can cast both since one is a standard action and the other is a swift action.

This is a very niche example but there could be more.

Ok so would it be ok for the wizzo to suddenly get ambushed, cast Quickened create pit (swift), 5' step into the pit, cast featherfall (immediate), then blast straight up with a quickened fireball (standard action used for swift) and follow that up with quickened fireball to mop up (move action used as swift)?

Shinigaze wrote:

So have we come to an accord here? I guess the idea is that the Gunslinger is not "viable" as a class because it requires 1-5 to be taken with consistency and is hampered greatly if multiclassed before then. Firstly, most people don't take a 1 level dip for an ability that doesn't synergize at all with their chose role. Secondly, if someone could post a class/build that can multiclass twice before level 5 and still be as powerful as other party members that would probably help the argument that the Gunslinger is not viable. Barring that though I think we have come to a consensus.

I guess all of pathfinder is not "viable" as a system, because the vast majority of builds are more powerful if you stay a single class rather than mulitclassing. Especially at low levels.

You are posting to a February 2013 thread......holy thread necromancy!

thegreenteagamer wrote:

I don't. I want to play a Dogfolk, but they don't exist.

Not a wolf person/werewolf. Not a hyena person/gnoll. A dogfolk.

Dogs > Cats

If you want to play a dogfolk in a game that allows non-Paizo races, you can always grab Clan of the Dog in the Paizo store.

Also, you'll be pleased to know that my current sales data support your assertion that dogs > cats. It's close, but as of this post, Clan of the Dog is outselling its feline counterpart, Clan of the Cat.

I'm holding out for Clan of the Hedgehog....or Koala....or Raccoon...

But, then, as I said in my second post, I don't -really- want to play a dog person, as like most people who are fans of dogs, I'm not obsessed with them like fans of cats tend to be obsessed with cats.

But you could be a gambling addicted dogman who sits around playing poker....and has an uncontrollable urge to hump the leg of every giant humanoid he sees....yeah, nevermind....best to let sleeping dogs lie.

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Elder Scrolls Khajiit.

I never cared much before playing that series, never got into the almost disturbing "furry", manga, toony bull**** that seems to surround people that tend to like catfolk but after playing a Khajiit as a stealthy assassin and enjoying the role, and seeing how seriously the Elder Scrolls took them, I now like them. And I even stopped naming them things like "Mittens" and "Snowball".....lol

VampByDay wrote:

The point I was trying to make was that I had dumped EVERYTHING into being tough, and I still needed a six to save on my best chance.

To me, this is more an indictment of two things ...

1. The linear nature of the d20, and
2. The presence of save-or-die/save-or-lose effects,
along with the too-great-of-a-swing between good saves and bad saves.

One single die roll should not have that great an effect on a character or a combat.

Off track----I like how 5E D&D is handling this stuff. They seem to have softened the line a lot.

I would love to see Sunless Citadel made into a movie, followed with Forge of Fury....but I also would love an Icewind Dale/Crystal Shard movie(s). I see more of a market for the Crystal Shard/Icewind Dale stuff...heck there was a decent video game with that title so there is that...

My group cast a couple wall of fires in Mammy's room to trap her and lit the whole house on fire. They almost lost people trying to escape the horribly built burning house....
I like the "raise dead" idea, make her have some zombies around her that were humans from the surrounding area and describe their appearance to show how they were tortured before they died....you can get as graphic as your group allows....from them being skinned (with the skin hanging on the wall behind where they are stationed) to eyelids being removed or whatnot....you can get a bit gross if your group is OK with it....

Anarchy_Kanya wrote:

The Mane Six (a known mercanary group in our game).

Okay... I gotta poke a little fun here-- so, what's a "Mercanary"? I'm getting visions of some kind of bizarre yellow-feathered underwater songbird that Merfolk keep in cages to brighten up their homes... but I'm not sure how well they'd behave in groups. Or is that a group of folks who catch, train, and sell mercanaries? I might have to use that in a game sometime. :P

Also, noticed someone brought up "The Lesser Evils" as a mercenary group name-- now that would be a cool name for an expensive but competent mercenary team, or a team that gets the job done-- with lots of collateral damage.

I almost thought it was a place that cans Mercs....Seems a good way to store them for a while....

Azten wrote:

In part of a game of where all the Player Characters are female.

We call our unit The Crimson Tide.

Moan. That's awful.

That was a cramp induced moan, right? lol