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This has been cleared up in the other areas of the site. Thanks for the heads up!
Sometimes it can be a judgement call (especially when it comes to "baiting"). Overall, post removal occurs when posts break the guidelines we have outlined here. But as it says on that page, they aren't hard and fast rules for any situation. And since we're humans, some level of error is just going to happen. If you see something *really* off, just let us know, because it may have not been intentional.
Removed a couple more fighty posts.
Insain Dragoon: I'm taking note particularly of what our Community Team can be doing and the overall communication issues that I'm hearing are the biggest issues for everyone here. I don't think that's going to be particularly useful to provide as a list of notes publicly as it may easily be interpreted as "this is what we totally plan to do." There has be a larger discussion internally before we make any statements like that (especially since I'm not part of the creative portion of Paizo and *cannot* make any promises of another team, that's just not cool). If your concern is whether I'll just point people at a thread and wash my hands of it, that's not my intention :)
And since we've reached the point at which I really should be getting out of here, I'm keeping this closed until Monday. Again, thank you all for keeping this mostly civil and for the suggestions/helpful responses.
For clarity, I'm not abandoning the thread for Gen Con. As it is I am the only current "someone" available, and while I'm happy to address issues and questions here, I cannot in good conscience give our community exhausted and delirious responses resulting from the very long hours worked in this past week holding down the fort. Unfortunately not actually a robot :)
Just a temp closure while I catch up here...
And back open.
Just real quick, thank you to everyone who responded to my questions! Some of these suggestions do reaffirm what I'd been led to think would be beneficial. Others are definitely ones I wouldn't have expected either, but am pleased to see. As was mentioned, it probably is divergent from this threads original premise, so if you'd like to continue this feedback, drop a line to firstname.lastname@example.org and I'll take a look.
I did have to go back and remove some overly sarcastic/gossipy posts and their responses, however. Again, we hear the frustration coming out of this thread, but it needs to be kept civil.
As a heads up, I am contemplating leaving this closed starting this evening and over the weekend because I don't want some of these questions and concerns going completely unaddressed. Understand that we are running on a much leaner crew than usual and it's been an incredibly busy week, and it's not at all motivated by us not wanting you to post your thoughts and opinions, but that I'd to address this as best as possible.
To take this in a slightly different direction, I have some questions for you guys from purely a site structure/community team standpoint:
- Does having more accessible and visible introductions to our new design/development staff sound like something you want? (Either through our blog via tags or maybe our contact page?) Is there something we can do to the forums themselves to make employees more visible?
- How would you prefer to see new FAQs communicated to the community? Is that in the form of a blog series, or is it a series of threads?
- Knowing how we've handled errata up until now, what would you change? If it's a blog, what general information would you like to see us include?
- Let's assume the PRD is a blank slate and we can have any unicorn we want, how would you invision errata being notated here?
- Are versioned PDFs a thing you'd use and want?
- Polls have been mentioned here, and in the past we've done a *couple* playtest surveys. If we did have polls, what do you invision them being used for? What kind of content justifies a poll versus a feedback thread in your mind?
OK, I totally understand where all the frustration is coming from on all sides of this conversation. But, I'd really prefer to not resort to suppressing posts or have the discussion take a toxic turn which leads to us needing to lock it. Focus on the ideas here, not the other participants in the conversation, and try to keep it civil please.
Also a great idea. Also, as I mentioned up thread, there is likely going to be an ACG blog that should tie in with when we begin shipping the second printing.
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
It would be nice if Paizo could start posting "updates" on the erratas so we know where they're at and where they're heading.
You're right, we can communicate this better. I'm actively trying to see what my team can do on this front while everyone is at the show. This doesn't change previous issues, but rest assured it's not being ignored.
To preface this: I am not a member of the rules team, and I cannot speak to their decisions for what to change in the game. However, I can try to provide the best insight I can into our internal process with the knowledge I *do* have. Everyone posting here is interested in or passionate about the game in varying degrees), so I have left all posts in tact. I get that some people are venting and it's a perfectly understandable reaction, but from this point on, I'd ask that all posters in this thread try to keep their cool.
Why is it nerf season?
I certainly understand how it can seem that way, since we've rarely had errata release this quickly back-to-back. However, it's just a coincidence that we've had several reprints come in such a short timespan. It was not a "sekrit" plan by our Design Team. Historically (the Advanced Class Guide is the exception), they are outside the tail end of the errata release process because it's purely prompted by inventory numbers and when we receive a shipment.
I always forget where to look for the errata, could someone please link it?
The errata document is located here.
"The Design Team personally hates X, Y, or Z"
Can't speak to this point (not a rules person, sorry!). I do know that every team in this building puts the best foot they can forward. We're not perfect, but we are listening. In general, though, please don't make blanket statements about the character or personal details about any member of our staff. Nobody in this discussion actually *knows* our staff, and it's just not cool to make assumptions about any individual and their personal motives and performance.
How does it work for people who do Pathfinder Society organized play? Does everything change each time they update errata?
Was the scarred witch doctor changed for "X, Y, or Z"?
Can't answer this one, our Design Team will be able to provide better feedback post-Gen Con.
That's because they decided to dump all this s*%$ right before the whole team headed to Gen Con in the hopes that by the time they got back, everything would blow over.
Absolutely untrue. Because we received the second printing of the Advanced Race Guide right before the show, we elected to bring it along with us. Because people *right now* are able to purchase it there, it would be totally unfair to just say "surprise! new printing!" without providing the actual errata document and update our digital versions for people unable to attend. Either route we would have taken would have probably resulted in some form of upset, and this is the decision we made. It may not seem like the *best* one, but it absolutely was not chosen so we could ignore everyone over the convention weekend.
Why not provide downloads of older printings? What about the PRD?
Honestly, I don't think we've been asked this before that I can recall. I believe we don't do this because we'd prefer people have access to the most current version when they purchase and having a large amount of download package options may be overwhelming/confusing. It is *technically* feasible, but I can see a number of reasons this can start getting hairy. For the PRD, I do agree that having visual indicators for what *is* errata-ed content is probably a good idea, but is a large project that I couldn't give you any sort of ETA on.
Comments about the Advanced Class Guide in particular...
As Erik pointed out in one of the ACG threads, we'll likely have a blog with some level of explanation regarding errata once we start shipping the physical books. This particular hardcover had it's errata released outside of our usual process, some level of feedback has been provided by our team prior to leaving for Gen Con, but I'd expect more from us after the show and when that blog shows up.
I really hope that these answers help provide some insight for the time being, and I'll keep an eye on this thread in case there is a question I can answer. Again, we do appreciate you guys and your feedback (even the negative), but be cognizant that specific answers about rules are going to be difficult for us to provide until next week at the earliest.
July 29, 2015 Update
This update included an amount of bug fixes from the previous thread, including missing errata and the inclusion of the Advanced Race Guide second printing errata. In addition, we added the start of a new global Bestiary index. Stay tuned for more improvements to that particular feature.
As of today, we've included a great deal of the issues and bug fixes in the latest PRD update, as well as the Advanced Race Guide errata for the second printing. Because of how large this thread has gotten, and our current backlog, we're starting anew. Please reference the new PRD thread below for updates and issue reporting:
If you don't mind (sorry if this is off-topic), I am curious about your comments regarding the errata updates being released to published new editions of your books. As I understand it, Paizo has grown into a successful mature company with the ability to accurately determine supply/demand of new books. This usually translates to less of a need to release 2nd editions of the published books. Which further relates to erratas being released far and few between. Why not release errata more frequently and update the downloadable PDFs? Why wait for the next print edition of a book to be updated/published?
The answer to this is a bit more involved that I'm equipped to provide. The reasons for why we don't completely update our digital offerings for new errata can be attributed to: our interactions with FLGS's, customers holding out for the next printing (which we never publicly announce when that's going to happen exactly), and the workload involved in making this part of our overall production process (which includes at least 4-5 departments that I can think of immediately).
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