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Fear effects stack but not with demoralize. Intimidate on its own can't get creatures past shaken.
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Q: What is the difference between the Dazzling Display feat and using the Demoralize Opponent of the Intimidate Skill? It seems both affect all opponents within 30'. Is Intimidate supposed to be worded to affect only one?
A: (Joshua J. Frost) The intimidate skill says "If you are successful, the target is shaken for 1 round." which means its affecting a single target. Where the Dazzling Display feat is affecting ALL targets with 30ft. [Source]
Q: (10/8/09) Intimidate Skill (Demoralize) - Can you demoralize the same being more than once, and have the effects stack?
A: (Joshua J. Frost) The shaken condition gained in this matter cannot be stacked to create a stronger condition. If you succeed at another demoralize attempt, you just extend the shaken condition's duration. There was a sentence left out of the skill description that will be noted in a future errata update. [Source]
A: (Jason Bulmahn) This is indeed the case... [Source]
Q: (10/8/09) Does the above mean a Shaken condition imposed by a Intimidate Skill - Demoralise can never be upgraded by another use source of a Fear condition?
A: (Joshua J. Frost) Correct. Though, as noted above, it can extend the duration of the shaken condition. [Source]
Q: (10/8/09) Does this idea that Shaken + Shaken only increases the duration of the Shaken condition come into effect only when Demoralise is in the mix?
A: (Joshua J. Frost) Yes. [Source]
Hi, just recently I was in a situation where the group I'm DMing for kept intimidating people to quickly get them into the panicked state. Here's how it it played out
Person 1 Intimidate creature goes to shaken
Person 2 Intimidate creature goes to frightened
Person 3 Intimidate creature goes to panickedIt seemed pretty powerful to me and I was wondering if that's how intimidate would stack in a combat situation. To see if you're intimidated I believe the counter check is 10 + your HD + your wisdom modifier. I have a feeling we were using this incorrectly. So any help on clearing this issue up would be great.
Thanks
Greg
I may be wrong, but shouldn't extra "Intimidators" give a +2 bonus (as they are ASSISTING) instead of 'stacking'. And as a DM, I would rule that it would take something pretty magnificent to get folks into a 'panicked' state. I mean dragons (and only old ones) have this ability.
I would say that it is certainly possible to Intimidate enemies (with your calculation above and +2 per person assisting) into a shaken state. Then say on the very first attack your player gets a critical hit and beheads one of the enemy troops, then I'd say a second Intimidate check should be rolled to get them to frightened (or even panicked if your player rolls high enough).
Ultradan
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Hi, just recently I was in a situation where the group I'm DMing for kept intimidating people to quickly get them into the panicked state. Here's how it it played out
Person 1 Intimidate creature goes to shaken
Person 2 Intimidate creature goes to frightened
Person 3 Intimidate creature goes to panickedIt seemed pretty powerful to me and I was wondering if that's how intimidate would stack in a combat situation. To see if you're intimidated I believe the counter check is 10 + your HD + your wisdom modifier. I have a feeling we were using this incorrectly. So any help on clearing this issue up would be great.
Thanks
GregI may be wrong, but shouldn't extra "Intimidators" give a +2 bonus (as they are ASSISTING) instead of 'stacking'. And as a DM, I would rule that it would take something pretty magnificent to get folks into a 'panicked' state. I mean dragons (and only old ones) have this ability.
I would say that it is certainly possible to Intimidate enemies (with your calculation above and +2 per person assisting) into a shaken state. Then say on the very first attack your player gets a critical hit and beheads one of the enemy troops, then I'd say a second Intimidate check should be rolled to get them to frightened (or even panicked if your player rolls high enough).
Ultradan
You'd absolutely NEED multiple intimidators to Aid as each Intimidate check beyond the first adds +5 to the DC.
--Vrock & Awe
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We're actually in a debate about this ourselves right now, because the text stating the effects do not stack was dropped.
It's neither in the 3rd printing, nor the 3rd printing errata, nor the current PDF, nor current PRD.
If that's a mistake -- then they got to errata their errata!
But as Vrok notes, the +5 DC makes it tougher, and is that cumulative? If so, it could have been a choice the change actually wasn't necessary, and you can stack like that if you can overcome the progressivily tougher DC.
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I just noticed this today, but if you search the prd for "stacking demoralize" the missing text of the Intimidate entry does appear.
"This shaken condition does not stack with other shaken conditions to make an affected creature frightened. "
However if you click through to the Intimidate entry it is missing. So it looks like a mistake was made when updating the prd. It would be nice if this were corrected.
Yes, it's also missing from the PDF, which is stated as updated with all errata, and it's also NOT in the 3rd printing nor 3rd printing errata. It's only because our GM happened to be using a 1st printing book with the 1st printing errata that we saw it (the change IS in the errata updating the 1st and 2nd printings).
If the change isn't in latest rule book then I can't consider this a rule. I mean we use the PRD and the latest up to date PDF for any rule questions. If it's not in that then it isn't a rule.
I mean if the question came up in the game how can I rule on something the no longer exists.