Just wanted to say I'm loving what's coming out lately.


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


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A couple years ago I asked a lot for more troops, mass combat rules, humanoid enemies, and nonhuman NPCs. And lo and behold, we got Battlecry! and NPC Core. Around the same time, I expressed a lot of interest in the idea of a war campaign with Cheliax as the chief antagonist. Now, the Hellfire Crisis is, like, a whole thing. I also really lucked out with Lost Omens: Shining Kingdoms and Draconic Codex, as my homebrew campaign has a lot of dragon-themed PCs with a home base in Andoran. Plus all the spacey/techy things from Starfinder 2e, which I wanted really bad because 1) Numeria rules, and 2) I loved the Starfinder setting even more than Golarion but could never wrap my head around 1e.

So I've been really, really lucky with what Paizo's been putting out. I feel like all my book wishes from when I first entered the space are being fulfilled, even ones I didn't voice. Literally the only two things missing are Arcadian and Darklands sourcebooks, and we might be getting the latter soon-ish thanks to how sourcebooks and adventure paths tend to go together (Blood Lords with Book of the Dead and Impossible Lands, Ruby Phoenix/Seasons of Ghosts and the Tian Xia books, and now Vaultlines and a hole in the lore where OGL stuff used to be).

I dunno, I guess I just wanted to throw a "thanks" out there? I'm eating good right now. Like, I'm still salty about the PDF price increases, PaizoCon's cancellation, and some truly baffling balancing choices on the Starfinder front (I'm going to write a dissertation in the errata suggestions thread, I swear to God), but when it comes to the actual books themselves, I've been quite pleased.

Sorry if this comes across as kissing Paizo's booty or something. I just know the community can get crabby sometimes (self included) and wanted to take some time off from that to acknowledge that the stuff I begged for both here and on Reddit was actually delivered.

Keep on keepin' on.


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I like this kind of thread a lot, and I think it helps convey a more balanced opinion from the playerbase: having a critical opinion of something and a really positive opinion of that same thing are not mutually exclusive, and in fact both are often complementary. Both opinions are also worth voicing, and while there's no shortage of critical feedback in online spaces, it is also worth making the effort to take stock of the things that have worked really well and express appreciation for them.

For all the criticisms I may have of Pathfinder or Starfinder, which I voice without reservation, I also love both games (and more of Paizo's games too, like Elemental Stones!), and am really happy with a lot of the content that the developers have released. Battlecry!, Draconic Codex, and Shining Kingdoms are among my favorite expansions in all of 2e, and I think everyone who worked on those knocked it out of the park across both flavor and mechanics. I look forward to more of that, and am very excited for Feybound in particular. Even in the case of releases that have worked less well, I still want those to turn out as best they can in the future.


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If I could be buying more, I would. I was downright delighted by the Draconic Codex and the pullout art that reminded me of my childhood reading dragon art books.


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Battlecry and Draconic Codex were great. I love both of them.


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This is wonderful to read! The Paizo forums really seem to amplify mild resentment and tiny complaints and drown out everything else, so I think it's actually genuinely kinda important to talk about what was good and why. I think you're worse at understanding what's bad if you can't understand what's good.


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Yeah Draconic Codex, NPC Core, Battlecry were all knock-out-of-the-park incredible, in my opinion. I love having all the interesting people statblocks with monster core tier cool abilities, troops are great, the dragons are sick as heck and slotted neatly into my lore while also being awesome in a fight, the player options are excellent especially the commander and guardian!


Battlecry! and Draconic Codex are absolutely amazing books. Shining Kingdoms and Rival Academies also gave me some of my fave new archetypes, the Blackjacket and the remastered Runelord, and a bunch of fun lore besides. Going further back, the Tian Xia stuff was also absolutely wonderful, and while it's got some rough edges with the mythic system I really enjoyed the cool flavor and options in War of Immortals. (The multiple month-long lead-up to which deity was going to bite it was also super exciting and fun to be part of. Not a book, just something I wanted to mention.)

I'm also really looking forward to the Hellfire Crisis stuff coming out; I'm a sucker for more troop statblocks, no idea why, and I like what little I've heard about the remastering and consolidating of the Hellknight archetype.


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NPC Core and Battlecry were a fantastic one-two punch last year. For this year I'm really looking forward to the High Seas book myself. I just hope that a high seas adventure will follow.

And on the Starfinder front I just started running a 2e conversion of Dawn of Flame, so enjoying all the news recently about this year's releases.


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It's been a multi-year run of me being unlucky with what gets announced lining up with my own lore preferences, but I don't resent anybody who's loving what's been going on. Here's to much more Pathfinder!

Cognates

If we're doing a positivity thread, draconic codex was phenominal. At the moment it's definetly my fave book, perhaps tied with Lost Omens: Tian Xia


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Tridus wrote:
Battlecry and Draconic Codex were great. I love both of them.

I only wish I had more opportunities to use all that draconic goodness within my group lol


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I really like how all the dragon types got a couple pages of nothing but lore on their behaviors inDraconic Codex. I still chuckle thinking about adamantine dragons becoming obsessive fans.

Also really glad to see how breath weapons got experimented with, like the time dragon's breath weapon switching from just electricity in the previous edition to being slow-based now, and able to blink enemies who crit fail out of the fight for a turn.


And so much to look forward to this year! A full book of Fey! A book of four classes and whatever else crazy magic! The High Seas pirate stuff! Playable Bugbears at last and assorted devil-lands lore! And will I end up buying Hellfire Dispatches for Free RPG Day? (because you gotta actually buy something on Free RPG Day, it's a rough day for the retailers) Maybe!


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I wholeheartedly agree. The books that have been coming out lately have been not a penny short of worth the price to me. Very juicy lore bits that ooze the creativity of the artists that produced them. And very pretty to boot!

While the forums can sometimes feel pretty hefty on criticism at times, I think it's because we're passionate. It can feel disingenuous to constantly display positivity, but criticism is easy to make genuine. It comes from a love of the game more than anything, and a wish to see it not only continue to be as good as it is, but possibly help it become better!

That's not to say that occasional glazing isn't fun and refreshing, though. ;)


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Someone decided earnestly enjoying something on the internet is cringe and people are deathly afraid of being cringe.


Agreed. I've definitely had more moments of frustration and doubt lately, but I'll avoid listing those to turn this into a place of complaints.

At the end of the day, I really like Pathfinder, and I'm still happy with a lot of what's both been and about to be released.


WatersLethe wrote:
Someone decided earnestly enjoying something on the internet is cringe and people are deathly afraid of being cringe.

That and plain ol' human nature. We tell roughly three times as many people about things that upset us as make us happy, after all. Makes a lot of sense when spreading warnings about not eating the spider-shaped berries, but not quite so much here.


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For my enjoyment, Battlecry has been one of the best rule expansion books for pf2e. Loads of useful and flavorful archetypes, two dynamic and fun classes, and an ACTUALLY FUN (for me) subsystem in the form of skirmish battles (not knocking against victory point systems, mostly just throwing shade at the SoM casting subsystems). The line between Dark Archive and Battlecry has trended up IMO, barring small mistakes and mythic not landing too hard for me. Generally I think today's game is a lot better than 2019's.

I'm of the opinion that negativity bias is a natural byproduct of people being invested in a thing for long periods of time.


I like the store website.


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HolyFlamingo! wrote:


Literally the only two things missing are Arcadian and Darklands sourcebooks,

I'm definitely up for a Darklands source book, but would rather a Casmaron book over Arcadia. Right now Arcadia doesn't seem to have much lore and it is far enough away that you can toss whatever you need to add over there without messing with other sources while close enough to still be relevant.


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KlampK wrote:
HolyFlamingo! wrote:


Literally the only two things missing are Arcadian and Darklands sourcebooks,

Right now Arcadia doesn't seem to have much lore and it is far enough away that you can toss whatever you need to add over there without messing with other sources while close enough to still be relevant.

We know about several nations and the meta-regions they fit into. Don't sell Arcadia short! The idea that it's a blank slate you can throw anything you want into ignores a lot of my favorite material in Pathfinder.


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keftiu wrote:
KlampK wrote:
HolyFlamingo! wrote:


Literally the only two things missing are Arcadian and Darklands sourcebooks,

Right now Arcadia doesn't seem to have much lore and it is far enough away that you can toss whatever you need to add over there without messing with other sources while close enough to still be relevant.
We know about several nations and the meta-regions they fit into. Don't sell Arcadia short! The idea that it's a blank slate you can throw anything you want into ignores a lot of my favorite material in Pathfinder.

I didn't mean to sell it short. I would love to know where to go to get info on it though


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Unfortunately while we do actually have a fair bit of Arcadian lore it's kinda scattered all over the place. There's a limited general overview in the Lost Omens World Guide, but that's a single paragraph.
1e's Distant Shores has a fairly in-depth look at the Arcadian city of Segada, and book 5 of Tyrant's Grasp is set in Arcadia, so it's got a bit more info (though of course subject to change between editions). There's more info scattered around sakhil and coatl bestiary entries, and in the various sources for Saga Lands lore, but I'd honestly suggest the wiki as a first resource here.

Cognates

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The stuff we got in WoI was really tantalising and I hope it gets acted upon by someone down the line. The giant creatures just sorta milling around reminds me of Shadow of the Collosus and I am very pleased about that.


WWHsmackdown wrote:
I'm of the opinion that negativity bias is a natural byproduct of people being invested in a thing for long periods of time.

Opinion? It's practically fact. It's the hedonic treadmill in action. The peaks of your experiences become expected and so normalize into the baseline. Now the troughs, instead of being a return to baseline, become detractors.


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BotBrain wrote:
The stuff we got in WoI was really tantalising and I hope it gets acted upon by someone down the line. The giant creatures just sorta milling around reminds me of Shadow of the Collosus and I am very pleased about that.

I'm hoping the Living Plague, a sort of magical "disease" afflicting Geb where undead spontaneously return to life, gets brought up in Impossible Magic. It's such a cool idea!

Liberty's Edge

I was musing in the Impossible Magic thread that Geb himself might turn back into a living mortal.

Hilarity ensues.


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The Raven Black wrote:

I was musing in the Impossible Magic thread that Geb himself might turn back into a living mortal.

Hilarity ensues.

Maybe that's why Nex finally comes back! Picking on a dead man just seemed beneath him all those years.

*Kicks in a door* "I'm back you Nepo Baby twit! I thought you couldn't f*ck up suicide any worse but here we are!"

"And here I thought you'd just run out ideas and didn't like your odds in resorting to fisticuffs while I was intangible! What shall it be, bareknuckle or has your feeble mind grasped the premise of gloves?"


KlampK wrote:
keftiu wrote:
KlampK wrote:
HolyFlamingo! wrote:


Literally the only two things missing are Arcadian and Darklands sourcebooks,

Right now Arcadia doesn't seem to have much lore and it is far enough away that you can toss whatever you need to add over there without messing with other sources while close enough to still be relevant.
We know about several nations and the meta-regions they fit into. Don't sell Arcadia short! The idea that it's a blank slate you can throw anything you want into ignores a lot of my favorite material in Pathfinder.
I didn't mean to sell it short. I would love to know where to go to get info on it though

1e's Distant Shores details one city, Segada, in the nation of Degasi, while volume 5 of the Tyrant's Grasp AP is set in the nation of Xopatl. Guns & Gears has a lengthy section on the Deadshot Lands that also has a map of the entire continent.

After those, things get pretty scattered: tidbits in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide, one of the beasties in Lost Omens: Monsters of Myth, a section in War of Immortals, a page in Book of the Dead, a few Society scenarios... but it's all added up over the years into a pretty interesting palette for Native American-inspired fantasy!

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