Is there any idea on which book they will be included in? Perhaps a Book of the Dead Remaster?
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Is there any idea on which book they will be included in? Perhaps a Book of the Dead Remaster?
I would not look for it in a BotD remaster unless it turned out to be a much more extensive update than just a "remaster" implies.
Necromancer and Runesmith are speculated for a future unannounced book that folk have been clamoring for news about, but which to my knowledge remains speculative.
Its been a long time since the playtest, probably owi g to the playtest coming much sooner after the previous one, and so relatively sooner in the production cycle. Still, we should probably be hearing anout it sometime pretty soon one expects.
Is there any idea on which book they will be included in? Perhaps a Book of the Dead Remaster?
They're new classes, so it probably won't be a direct remaster of an existing book. This might be easier to answer on Friday, though, after Paizo Live discusses a new book.
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Welcome to the playtest for the necromancer and the runesmith classes! This playtest is for an as-yet-unannounced
book to be released in 2026, which will push the possibilities of magic itself.
We don't "know" for certain but it being the gencon release is so likely I'd be shocked if it's anything else.
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Yeah, they are almost certainly in the unnamed but confirmed GenCon 2026 release. The remastered releases of old rulebooks have not contained substantial amounts of new content compared to their old versions.
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My prediction for the title:
It’s the end of Golarion as we know it, and Geb feels fine.
Something Impossible is coming, 2026!
We made it to 2026! This is literally all I can say!
Maya Darling!
This is giving me Genie Vibes: PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Itty bitty living space.
There is already an Impossible Lands sourcebook?
There is already an Impossible Lands sourcebook?
Yes, there is.
Whatever Impossible thing is coming, it may be related to the Impossible Lands (esp considering the theme of the two classes therein) but its *not* likely another Impossible Lands setting book. I believe someone speculated Impossible Magic, but we have yet to see. It could be a full book of magic but with the Rival Academies im not sure we'll double down so closely on a purely magical focus unless maybe this book is to expand on other approaches to magic besides the academic environment.
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My guess is we'll see a new magic-centric book that contains the Runesmith, the Necromancer, and a remastered Magus and Summoner, plus some new magic stuff (and unfortunately, probably a lot of reprints of Secrets of Magic spells and other things).
I'd actually be pretty excited to see that.
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While putting Secrets of Magic's classes in the same book as the Impossible Playtest makes a lot of sense to me, too, I'm a little worried people are getting a little too certain about the theory. We might want to temper expectations a bit to avoid too much disappointment.
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Maya when you say "something impossible" is it more in the vein of Defying Gravity, Korean Manga series, or a more impossible something that we just have to wait and see?
You'll have to wait and see! Also, Korean comics are call manhwa actually! Korean is my second language!
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Maya when you say "something impossible" is it more in the vein of Defying Gravity, Korean Manga series, or a more impossible something that we just have to wait and see?You'll have to wait and see! Also, Korean comics are call manhwa actually! Korean is my second language!
I love reading Manwah and then trying to build the characters in Pathfinder.
I once ran a one-shot based on the the Gates open up on Earth and people awaken as Hunters using Pathfinder.
Had all my friends build themselves humans with the backgrounds and classes that either were their favorite or most compatible to their own skill set.
It was a fun night.
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... I just enjoy watching you all speculate! ^_^
We're all just lab rats to you aren't we Maya? ;)
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I love reading Manwah and then trying to build the characters in Pathfinder.
I once ran a one-shot based on the the Gates open up on Earth and people awaken as Hunters using Pathfinder.
Had all my friends build themselves humans with the backgrounds and classes that either were their favorite or most compatible to their own skill set.
It was a fun night.
It's a super cool medium!! Glad you found something else to inspire you and your adventures!
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I have two theories:
A. Necromancer and Runesmith are coming in a Secrets of Magic style book that remasters Magus/Summoner, I kind of hope it's this, just because another run at the 'general book about magic' concept has a lot of potential, and SoM has a lot in it that could have used another look, or could be replaced with different content.
B. Necromancer and Runesmith are coming in separate books, each alongside one of the above two classes still in need of remaster.
I have two theories:
A. Necromancer and Runesmith are coming in a Secrets of Magic style book that remasters Magus/Summoner, I kind of hope it's this, just because another run at the 'general book about magic' concept has a lot of potential, and SoM has a lot in it that could have used another look, or could be replaced with different content.
B. Necromancer and Runesmith are coming in separate books, each alongside one of the above two classes still in need of remaster.
Ohhhh I hadn't considered Option B.
Most fascinating.While I am definitely in Option A team, B does offer an interesting way to tackle that.
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In the case of option B, would the necromancer be paired with the summoner (minions) and the runesmith with the magus (gishes)?
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We're all just lab rats to you aren't we Maya? ;)You are my community that I am so glad to be a part of ^_^
And we are very, very glad that you are part of this community. :)
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There is already an Impossible Lands sourcebook?Yes, there is.
Whatever Impossible thing is coming, it may be related to the Impossible Lands (esp considering the theme of the two classes therein) but its *not* likely another Impossible Lands setting book. I believe someone speculated Impossible Magic, but we have yet to see. It could be a full book of magic but with the Rival Academies im not sure we'll double down so closely on a purely magical focus unless maybe this book is to expand on other approaches to magic besides the academic environment.
Rival Acadamies doesn't touch on magic in any special detail, really. It's like most sourcebooks where there's magic, but I wouldn't call it a "magic book".
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Seems unlikely they would fit 4 (non-core) classes in one book. Especially with the kinds of fixes and extra content people expect for summoner and magus. Would leave far less page space for anything else. I do hope the two remaster classes get a great book and some TLC, however it happens.
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(and unfortunately, probably a lot of reprints of Secrets of Magic spells and other things).
Spells and items that were such a crime, they need the RPG cops to prevent them a second time.
Seems unlikely they would fit 4 (non-core) classes in one book. Especially with the kinds of fixes and extra content people expect for summoner and magus. Would leave far less page space for anything else. I do hope the two remaster classes get a great book and some TLC, however it happens.
If the impossible book is an effectively remastered Secrets of Magic they can fit in the two new classes by removing the elementalist archetype (already republished in Rage of Elements), the defunct spell schools chapter, hopefullly almost all of the truly terrible spells, most of the more than typically bad items, and one or two other archetypes if needed.
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(and unfortunately, probably a lot of reprints of Secrets of Magic spells and other things).Spells and items that were such a crime, they need the RPG cops to prevent them a second time.
Seems unlikely they would fit 4 (non-core) classes in one book. Especially with the kinds of fixes and extra content people expect for summoner and magus. Would leave far less page space for anything else. I do hope the two remaster classes get a great book and some TLC, however it happens.If the impossible book is an effectively remastered Secrets of Magic they can fit in the two new classes by removing the elementalist archetype (already republished in Rage of Elements), the defunct spell schools chapter, hopefullly almost all of the truly terrible spells, most of the more than typically bad items, and one or two other archetypes if needed.
No need to reprint runelord also, and that was one of the larger ones.
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I went and did a deep dive into Secrets of Magic and the math looks pretty tight. Assuming you double the page length for classes and still tried to keep the book around 255 pages you'd be removing the Schools of Magic Treatise, Elementalism, Elemental Spell List, Geomancy, Ley Lines, Pervasive Magic, Thassalonian Rune Magic, and True Names chapters.....and I'm still coming up 10 pages short. That's taking out most of the magical subsystems (which is fine, I preferred the general use archetypes like shadow magic and soulforger more anyway) and a lot of your archetype space.
Obviously, only parts of SoM would be transfered over but im curious how much non-class PC content and lore bits could fit into a 4 class rulebook that wasn't APG sized. A fully stacked $90-$100 beefy rulebook that's adjacent to APG sized would have me pretty ecstatic but IDK if Paizo is gonna tempt that. I guess we'll see.
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And we are very, very glad that you are part of this community. :)
Every day, I am both genuinely glad that I can do my part to support you all AND just see all the fun things you create and speculate about. 2026 is going to be a great year!
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Impossible Peace, around Lake Encarthan, things might devolve into open war with The Whispering Tyrant, now that Triumph of the Tusk and Spore War are behind us.
Impossible Allies. If Molthune joins Cheliax and Tar-Baphon proposes to ally with the other surrounding countries against the forces of Hell.
Tacking on to that "Impossible Allies" idea, Geb, shocks everyone, by coming in AGAINST Tar-Baphon and Cheliax, offering aid to Andoran, Absolom and Ravounel.
That is an interesting idea and not too far out of the realm of possibility. I’m sure Absalom might benefit from food exports by Geb. Additionally, as the city gears up for war, Geb’s export of weapons would also be welcome.
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I imagine it's more of a "He's so uncouth and uncivilized" type thing. Geb is a ghost, ruling a kingdom of Vampires, zombies, skeletons, and many other undead (gotta imagine there's at least a couple of liches in there). He doesn't care about the undead, he cares that Tar-Baphon destroyed a country, and then did nothing with it. He's acting like a conqueror, and not engaging in any statecraft.
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"Tar Baphon, what is best in life?"
"To kill your enemies, to drive their corpses before you, to hear the lamentations of their ghosts."
Wait, does that make Aroden Thulsa Doom???
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There are a couple passages in Book of the Dead where Geb writes something to the effect of "Whispering Tyrant? Sure hes powerful but anyone can blow stuff up. He's a juvenile upstart who has no class. I don't respect him."
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I believe that Geb also throws shade at the Whispering Tyrant for being short-sighted: once everyone is undead (Tar Baphon's apparent goal), then the entire population becomes a limited resource with no way of replacing losses...
Not to mention that certain types of undead (especially vampires) require living/freshly killed creatures for sustenance.
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Geb would easily join against the whispering tyrant. Getting all the living more indebted to him so he has more leverage against Nex while not having to send troops, just supplies. Lots of upsides there.
When comparing aid in a war, Geb has the best resource to trade, armies run on their stomachs (living ones anybow). I don't think Nex could offer enough constructs or mages to compete. It might be a risk using up supplies to support a war and expect any of those countries to really want to help you back. I would love to see Geb and Nex working to gain allies and such for their war, build up favors before going all out. Would be interesting to see.