What book will the Necromancer be in? It's NOT Dark Archieves remastered.


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Ah... weirdly, I'd see Nex as on the side of Cheliax. The nation of Nex's idea of Knowledge is worth anything at any cost. There being no taboo regarding demon summoning/binding.


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But Cheliax would have second thoughts about allying with demonologists...

Asmodeus and the rest of the devils hate demons. As does Cheliax.


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the big advantage good has over evil
while azata, agathion and angels dont neccessarily agree on their methods, their ultimate goals are similar so they can often enough set their differences (sometimes grudgingly) aside

while demons, daemons, devils and qlippoths is just a battle royale

Cognates

Zoken44 wrote:
Ah... weirdly, I'd see Nex as on the side of Cheliax. The nation of Nex's idea of Knowledge is worth anything at any cost. There being no taboo regarding demon summoning/binding.

I can see it, but I can also see a scenario where Nex look at the conflict, and determine Cheliax is on the losing end, and join the opposing side as to limit the good graces Geb is able to achieve relative to them.


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The book with Necromancer, Runesmith AND remastered Magus is Impossible Magic. It was announced today!


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Oni Shogun wrote:
The book with Necromancer, Runesmith AND remastered Magus is Impossible Magic. It was announced today!

Sweet!


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Oni Shogun wrote:
The book with Necromancer, Runesmith AND remastered Magus is Impossible Magic. It was announced today!

All 4 actually.

"Strike with both spell and blade with as a magus.
Command an army of the undead as a necromancer.
Scribe unique magic onto enemies and allies alike as a runesmith.
Fight alongside a powerful magical companion as a summoner."

Impossible Magic


Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

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JiCi wrote:

Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

Dark Archive remastered is out soonish.


BotBrain wrote:
JiCi wrote:

Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

Dark Archive remastered is out soonish.

Oh, I see...

My point still stands that we haven't gotten anything new...

I could have seen the Mesmerist, Medium and Spiritualist being added as subconscious minds for the Psychic by now.


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JiCi wrote:
BotBrain wrote:
JiCi wrote:

Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

Dark Archive remastered is out soonish.

Oh, I see...

My point still stands that we haven't gotten anything new...

I could have seen the Mesmerist, Medium and Spiritualist being added as subconscious minds for the Psychic by now.

That would have required a new book, rather than a "reprint the current book under ORC licencing to get rid of the OGL". Which is what the Dark Archive release is.

But nothing stops them from putting psychic stuff in a book later, like how Thaumaturge got a new implement in Battlecry. Probably the best way to go, really. It's nice to see classes get attention after the fact like that.

Cognates

JiCi wrote:
BotBrain wrote:
JiCi wrote:

Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

Dark Archive remastered is out soonish.

Oh, I see...

My point still stands that we haven't gotten anything new...

I could have seen the Mesmerist, Medium and Spiritualist being added as subconscious minds for the Psychic by now.

Isn't spiritualist just a phantom eidlodon?


BotBrain wrote:
JiCi wrote:
BotBrain wrote:
JiCi wrote:

Shouldn't the Psychic be remastered as well?

It's being a while since that class got new stuff...

Dark Archive remastered is out soonish.

Oh, I see...

My point still stands that we haven't gotten anything new...

I could have seen the Mesmerist, Medium and Spiritualist being added as subconscious minds for the Psychic by now.

Isn't spiritualist just a phantom eidlodon?

Yeah, point taken ^^;

For the Mesmerist, the stare could be split into 3 unique PSI cantrips for a conscious mind, each with the usual 4 variations.

Cognates

Yeah mesmerist is one of those pf1e classes that I love the flavour of but we don't really have an equivalent in pf2e yet. Bard maybe could be reflavoured but a dedicated archtype would make me happy.


BotBrain wrote:
Yeah mesmerist is one of those pf1e classes that I love the flavour of but we don't really have an equivalent in pf2e yet. Bard maybe could be reflavoured but a dedicated archtype would make me happy.

The Mesmerist was a psychic spellcasting class back then, so that's why I would like to make it a conscious mind for the Psychic class.

For example:
Surface Unique Psi cantrip: Mesmer Stare
(normal) afflicts [Stupefied 1] of a failed save or [Stupefied 2] on a Critical failure

(heightened 3rd) can select Enfeebled
(heightened 5th) can select Clumsy
(heightened 7th) can select Drained
(heightened 9th) can select Stunned

(amp) deals 1d4 mental damage
(amp heightened (+1)) The damage increases by 1d4.

The deeper and deepest cantrips could be upgraded versions with more conditions and/or penalties to afflict. I cannot fit every single stare and trick, but that could be one way to do it.

Cognates

Sorry, what I meant want "If you want a mesmerist now, you could reflavour a bard" since they've got access to a bunch of buffs/debuffs you could reflavour as hypnotist tricks.

If it's being made bespoke Psychic is the best bet for the reasons you noted.


BotBrain wrote:
Sorry, what I meant want "If you want a mesmerist now, you could reflavour a bard" since they've got access to a bunch of buffs/debuffs you could reflavour as hypnotist tricks.

Most of the Occult spell list fits a Mesmerist's vibes, so at least there's that.

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If it's being made bespoke Psychic is the best bet for the reasons you noted.

To me, that sounds like the best option, instead of either making a new class or a dedictated archetype.

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