Weapon shift Shikigami style


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like most of my builds, this is just for nonsensical science, so let's not get hung up on silly questions like "but why would you?" XD It's also rules questionable, but I'm sure we can come to some kind of viable/legal agreement hehe.

attempting to use an improvised magic item with the weapon shift chain and shikigami style chain. Maybe a high level scroll or something fun.

Weapon shift: "When you use your wild shape ability, any melee weapons you are wielding and proficient with meld into your new form.."

to handle the improvised weapons aren't weapons rule:
equipment trick: "you can treat it as either a normal weapon or an improvised weapon, depending on which is more beneficial for you."

to handle the not proficient with improvised weapons rule:
Improvisational focus: "You are considered proficient with the improvised weapon..."

The only benefit would come from Greater Weapon Shift with Shikigami Manipulation:
"While using Shikigami Style, you can treat any magical item you’re using as an improvised weapon as if it granted an enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls equal to the item’s caster level divided by 4 (minimum +1), to a maximum bonus of +5."

So with these theories in play, what kind of cool spells or items would we use to do fun things with? For example, 1 level of monk of the empty hand could get you "treats normal weapons as improvised weapons" and maybe a flame blade could suddenly have enhancement bonuses that scale with your level, turning paws into fire attacks. Maybe a summon instrument cantrip if that would count as a magic item. Emblem of greed? there's got to be some goodies out there. :)

Silver Crusade

Hmmmm. Now I'm trying to get the damage die bonus onto the natural attacks. [Rolls check for Profession: Ruleslawyer]

Silver Crusade

Yeah, there is room in reading the choice of the word 'properties' in the wording of weapon shift, if only a little.

It lists after using 'properties' three weapon 'qualities': disarm, double, fragile. 'Qualities' is the word used exclusively with weapons under the rules section of equipment with no use of 'properties', so if you and your GM (or just your GM adamantly) decide that the author of the feat refers instead to weapon 'qualities' that loophole is closed. But...

If your GM and you want to allow something crazy and willfully interpret 'properties' in the broader sense, then 'improvised' could be a 'property' allowed by weapon shift and then Shikigami feats all now apply to your natural attacks.

Balance-wise, giving Druids more combat power in this way probably isn't needed, but at the right table with other OP options being used by other players, could be really really fun to smack an enemy with multiple 4d6 attacks or crank a vital strike bite into an ungainly number of dice.


I've been stuck on the "treats all weapons as improvised weapons" part of the monk of the empty hand. There's a lot of temporary weapon/item creation spells, like shadow weapon, holy ice weapon, flame blade. Trying to find ones that would be worth taking.

1 level of monk of the empty hand
2 levels of Hinyasi Brawler to be able to treat imp weapons as the close fighter group

interested to see how these two abilities interact, one forcing you to treat weapons as imp weaps and one forcing you to treat imp weapons as close. Probably just get to choose at that point whenever it suits you? Or treat as both simultaneously?

Silver Crusade

3d6 flameblade is nice. Coinshot could work too. Then there is instant weapon.

looking for spells that can get close to the Sledgehammer improvised weapon with 2d6 damage.

hmmmm. Is there a usable interaction from weapon shift with natural weapon part of a base Monk's UAS?

"A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons."

The improvised weapon shifts with wildshape into the UAS, which isn't lost as an attack option in any of the forms, but does keep the die progression which can be further increased by increasing size.

Edit: And of course there is Shifter to be investigated if we are talking UAS and Wildshape

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