Whole party keeps dying via Wail of the Banshee

[easywolf32]

Anyone know how I can get saved by this nasty spell? Some high lvl wizard in Pathfinder Kingmaker keeps killing my whole party.

The rule says: The spell death ward protects against these attacks.

https://www.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=426

https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Wail_of_the_Banshee

I use remove fear spells, sonic protection, death ward and have 2 lvl 16 fighters with decent Fortitude. How do we all keep dying?

Some thread here but couldn't understand what they heck they're trying to do lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/sf1tn8/death_due_to_a_bans hees_wail

[zza ni]

A bard getting countersong with ready action? anyone hearing can use his skill check as a save. and that (especially at higher levels with all the added bonuses one can pile on skill checks) can be set to be so high no dc can ever hope to reach.

I find countersong to be one of the least used abilities of the core bard, about time it got used for a something. I considered even to homebrow a feat to let a bard start it as an immediate action just to make it more usable.

heck at high enough level a bard can have up to 3 performances running at once, so he can have one of them to be countersong for the whole fight, no need to ready. (shadow bard and that spell\feat that let him run a 2nd performance, don't remember atm how it's called).

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Another rarely used basic function is to counterspell against the banshee wail.

Then there is the silence spell that can be used ether on the party as protective or on the caster (or on an item near him, like one a close melee wear) to shutdown all his verbale depended spells. (in some ap I had casters royaly screwed by this as ALL of their spells were verbal)

[Diego Rossi]

Wail of the Banshee in Pathfinder RPG.

Pathfinder Kingmaker computer game Wiki (your link).

If we are speaking of the RPG, the spell, at most, deals 200 hp of damage. A character killed by it can be brought back by Breath of Life and can be protected by Death Ward.

The computer game is a different matter and doesn't follow all the game rules. It is only a close approximation.

This is the rule forum for Pathfinder RPG, so you will receive replies related to it, not to the computer game. What interests you?

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

Diego Rossi wrote:

If we are speaking of the RPG, the spell, at most, deals 200 hp of damage. A character killed by it can be brought back by Breath of Life

Breath of Life cannot help creatures killed by death effects, and WotB is a death effect.

[zza ni]

That's because usually such effects state the target 'die' without explaining\care for how much damage it took (if any), and breath of life return one to life by fixing the damage (so with no damage value to fix it's ineffective).
As such while not as 'per written' it's reasonable to allow it to fix death caused by damaged caused by a death effect.

I will nitpick that the spell is not capped at 200 as Diego wrote, if your effective caster level is above 20 the damage can go higher then 200.

[happykj]

This spell has a sonic descriptor, but the damage is not sonic damage, so protection from energy will not help (if "sonic protection" you mentioned means "protection from energy")

It does not have fear descriptor, so remove fear won't help either.

Death Ward does provide +4 morale bonus against it.

[Pizza Lord]

Does a silence spell stop it in the game? I beat it as a bard, but danged if I can remember everything. Although I did turn the master of the Half-orc magus and his girlfriend into a dog with a lucky baleful polymorph. Was funny watching him run away in the cutscene.

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

zza ni wrote:

That's because usually such effects state the target 'die' without explaining\care for how much damage it took (if any), and breath of life return one to life by fixing the damage (so with no damage value to fix it's ineffective).

As such while not as 'per written' it's reasonable to allow it to fix death caused by damaged caused by a death effect.

In 3.5 maybe but most death effects in PF1 were reduced from SoD to mere damage. There is no point in the restriction of BoL or Raise Dead on not being effective on creatures killed by death effects if you say they can work on death effects. I mean, you can house rule it however you wish but the intention and balance considerations are clear.

[easywolf32]

Wow guys, great info in here thanks. Forgot to mention this was concerning Pathfinder Kingmaker the PC game. My bad there.

There is no silence spell in this game, I checked up on it, that sounded so interesting, plus I have no bard in this party, 2 Fighters, a Barb (Amiri, perfectly drawn, not anime mickey mouse Amiri), an Inquisitor, a Ranger and a lvl 4 Paladin/ lvl 11 Cleric plus a Wolf and a Smilodon pet. Anyhow, I ended up going in there and smacking him around a bit, he's got that nasty Vampire shield and tcasted some nasty summons on him even though my greater fire elemental wouldn't fit through the door lol. I ran out the room with the whole party midway through the fight (One by one, I have it on turn based) and left him surrounded with all these spawns of mine until he casted his Banshee scream than went back in and finished him off.

Thanks for the advice and knowledge though, great board.

Btw, this was the guy, a ghost lich, 20 Sorc 7 Warrior, very nasty.

https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Reaford_Tabulus_Vallersteil