Out of curiosity: What are the restrictions on the magic items that you can make a legendary item?

[Weeeknight]

Not really a practical question, since i am not playing a character that is facing this issue yet but is there a restriction on the rarity of magic item you can use the mythic ability 'legendary item' on? Like could you make an existing artifact your legendary item? I'd imagine if you wanted to bind to a minor artifact you need to take the ability twice(since your item then becomes a minor artifact) and thrice to take a major artifact but i cant seem to find any discussion about this on google so i am asking here.

[OmniMage]

I don't think you can use an artifact as your legendary item. Those don't follow the normal magic item rules and don't have prices. As a GM, I wouldn't allow it.

[Weeeknight]

OmniMage wrote:

I don't think you can use an artifact as your legendary item. Those don't follow the normal magic item rules and don't have prices. As a GM, I wouldn't allow it.

You are right that they don't follow the rules of normal items and dont have prices but the mythic ability does have the ability to make normal items minor and major artifacts. Which is really the only reason i am asking for opinions. Because at mythic 10 when you get a full powered Major artifact as a legendary item, the idea that artifacts are out of your reach doesnt really apply.

And by then you already should have atleast one existing artifact in your possession so this might pop up as a question. And the rules i can find doesnt say yes but it also doesnt say no. So just wanted to get several peoples opinions and why they feel that way

[Mysterious Stranger]

As a GM who has run a mythic campaign or two, I do not give out artifacts to players in those games. The reason I do not is because the characters have an in-game way of gaining artifacts.

If the characters have item creation feats and mythic crafter and take legendary item ability, I would let them create some artifacts for themselves. For example, if an archemage wanted to create a staff of the archemage I would be ok with that.

[OmniMage]

I think the rules were written with the intent for players to make their own artifacts.

I could be wrong though. Its been a while since I last read the rules. I'm going to do some reading and think about it how the rules should be used.

[Weeeknight]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

As a GM who has run a mythic campaign or two, I do not give out artifacts to players in those games. The reason I do not is because the characters have an in-game way of gaining artifacts.

If the characters have item creation feats and mythic crafter and take legendary item ability, I would let them create some artifacts for themselves. For example, if an archemage wanted to create a staff of the archemage I would be ok with that.

Ah i see but would you allow them gain the legendary item abilities once they bond to their newly created artifacts? Do you allow them to create major artifacts or just minor artifacts? How do you handle the creation of major artifacts for players?

[Mysterious Stranger]

If they take both Mythic Crafter and the Legendary Item they gain the legendary powers. They would need to take Legendary Item 2 times for a minor artifact and 3 times for a major artifact. They would also need the item creation feat as well.

As I said the rules already have ways for characters to gain artifacts.

[OmniMage]

The rules for legendary items are different from what I recall. I was thinking it was like the capstone (With This Sword) where you simply add 100k worth of abilities to an existing magic item, for some strange reason.

I would allow for characters to make artifacts if they qualify.

I'm not sure what I would allow if player did make artifacts. Maybe I'll let them break a rule or two with powers. I'm still thinking it over.

[Weeeknight]

Alright thanks for your inputs. Lemme know once you figure it out

[OmniMage]

I've come up dry. Sorry if I've wasted your time.

However, I did try to figure out the cost of a Staff of the Magi (lesser artifact). Its about 652,000 gp for the components that I could measure. I had previously tried to breakdown the costs of a staff of power, so I know that retributive strike would be less than 3500 gp. So what I don't know is the cost for its ability to absorb spells and the cost of its ability to store 50 charges.

The Codex of the Infinite Planes (greater artifact) is even worse. Many of its spells are over 500k in value, and the whole book itself about 3800k before you factor in its defenses.

So the Staff of the Magi over 650k gp, and The Manual of the Infinite Planes is even worse as it has a CL of 30 and is worth more than 3 million gp. At level 20, a character should have over 800k in gear and wealth. So I ask you, are you sure you want the players to have artifacts as their base item for their legendary items? They're wildly more expensive than anything players should own.

[Weeeknight]

OmniMage wrote:

I've come up dry. Sorry if I've wasted your time.

However, I did try to figure out the cost of a Staff of the Magi (lesser artifact). Its about 652,000 gp for the components that I could measure. I had previously tried to breakdown the costs of a staff of power, so I know that retributive strike would be less than 3500 gp. So what I don't know is the cost for its ability to absorb spells and the cost of its ability to store 50 charges.

The Codex of the Infinite Planes (greater artifact) is even worse. Many of its spells are over 500k in value, and the whole book itself about 3800k before you factor in its defenses.

So the Staff of the Magi over 650k gp, and The Manual of the Infinite Planes is even worse as it has a CL of 30 and is worth more than 3 million gp. At level 20, a character should have over 800k in gear and wealth. So I ask you, are you sure you want the players to have artifacts as their base item for their legendary items? They're wildly more expensive than anything players should own.

True they are expensive but who buys artifacts? I was just referring to the fact for my games, by the time they reach lvl 20 and high mythic level they would have gained ownership of several artifacts from the story. After all at the level i was referring to, money is easy to come by and so any artifacts they have were earned by questing or stealing. I was just saying since they already have some, could they simply bond to those instead of creating new ones.

Also WBL is only if you are starting at that level right? Not if you have been actually playing and leveling up by killing dragons and dark lords and such