Monster Core reveals

[Elfteiroh]

Ezekieru wrote:

Nintendogeek01 wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

I hope Monster Core 2...

I'm skeptical that there will be a Monster Core 2. Before the OGL nonsense necessitated a change in priorities for Paizo they'd moved away from generalized bestiaries in favor of more thematic books that include a bestiary for that theme.

From the Remaster Project's FAQ page:

Pathfinder 2nd Edition Remaster FAQ wrote:

"Will there be more Remastered Core books to come? What about Monster Core 2 or Player Core 3?"

It’s very likely that we will continue to update and remaster the Bestiaries in the future, but for now we are focusing on the four announced books as well as Paizo’s regular schedule of Pathfinder releases. Publishing 100% new material remains Paizo’s primary focus, and we look forward to upcoming releases like Pathfinder Rage of Elements, Lost Omens Tian Xia World Guide and Character Guide, our monthly Adventure Path installments, and other exciting projects we have yet to announce.

So a Monster Core 2 is likely to happen eventually, but that hypothetical book won't be interrupting the production workflow in the same way the other 4 Core books did. We're probably over a year or two off from ever seeing a MC2.

Yeap. Andconsidering it usually takes about 2 years from ideation to street date release for a book development, the scale should be closer to 2 years here, as they are JUST NOW getting back on track releaseing the stuff they had to push back for the remaster.

[Eleanor Ferron]

scary harpy wrote:

If giant Octopi have communities/villages and communicate with each other, should they have higher Intelligences?

Their listed behavior is based off the "octopus city" that scientists found in real life (article below). So the answer is probably yes, but it destroys all basic assumptions about animals in the current system.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/octopus-city-observed-180964936/

[Ravingdork]

I fancy the idea of a Huge giant octopus using Jet whilst escaping through a narrow 2-foot opening with Compression.

The PCs would probably all be like "what just happened!?"

[scary harpy]

Eleanor Ferron wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

If giant Octopi have communities/villages and communicate with each other, should they have higher Intelligences?

Their listed behavior is based off the "octopus city" that scientists found in real life (article below). So the answer is probably yes, but it destroys all basic assumptions about animals in the current system.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/octopus-city-observed-180964936/

Would this make Giant Octopi beasts instead of animals?

Or would that still not be intelligent enough for an Octopus City?

[Easl]

Eleanor Ferron wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

If giant Octopi have communities/villages and communicate with each other, should they have higher Intelligences?

Their listed behavior is based off the "octopus city" that scientists found in real life (article below). So the answer is probably yes, but it destroys all basic assumptions about animals in the current system.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/octopus-city-observed-180964936/

Well it probably means we have to rethink "Intelligence" in the game just as scientists have had to rethink (multiple times) "intelligence" in RL. It turns out, a lot of capabilities we used to think required sentience or self-awareness to have, don't. Animals brains can have a lot of different social interaction and problem solving capabilities without human-like self-awareness. So no, no octopus is going to learn to write any time soon. Just because they can build and live in societies doesn't mean they can do other things that we society-dwelling and building hominids do. They are still low-INT for game purposes associated with anything better thought of as "humanoid capabilities that derive from our self-awareness and awareness of other hominids as themselves self-aware." But "general problem-solving capability?" Yes, octopi certainly have the latter.