Question about Sorshen and the Eye of Desire


Return of the Runelords


So, been reading up more on Return of the Runelords and whatnot, since I'm currently going through Shattered Star at the moment and I want to see what may or may not be relevant. I got a bit burned on continuity because an NPC got killed in Crimson Throne that was supposed to show up again in Carrion Crown - the PC's weren't super-fussed about killing him and would have let him live, but I thought writing him off was no issue. Not making that mistake again.

Anyway, on topic, question about Sorshen and the Eye of Desire is this: So far, I know that she retreated into a private demiplane to ride out Earthfall, and she only became active on Golarion again around the beginning of Rise of the Runelords when Karzoug started making a mess. She watched, schemed, and decided not to be completely evil this time around.

Question was; was she actually conscious and aware of all those ten thousand years while in her demiplane? Or did she put herself into stasis inside of that demiplane so that all those millennia passed by in the blink of an eye? Even if she kept it well-furnished with plenty of things to do, eventually all that gets old - and she'd already have been at least 1,100 years old by that point.

I know that she's done self-reflection to try and become a better person out of self-preservation instinct, but wondering if that was done over like, 18-ish years (from 4702) or over like 10,000.

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As far as I've seen in reviewing all the official materials about Sorshen (I haven't combed through statements from James Jacobs or anything about this), we don't have an official answer on this. However, the two other Runelords who used runewells to survive Earthfall specifically did not experience the passage of the past 10,000 years, as their runewells sort of ... phased them out of existence? The specifics aren't clear, but they certainly weren't conscious.

That said, I personally ran it that Sorshen was conscious, intent on not awakening disoriented or otherwise on the back foot against her rivals. Sure, she'd have to survive 100, maybe 200 years like that, but she'd already lived for 1,100 years, she'd be able to survive.

And then 10,000 years passed. And there was no chance she left that runewell the same person she was.

My take on Sorshen is someone who has become so detached from her desires that she'd be unrecognizable as who she was, but there are core parts of her identity that remain intact: she wants to live, and she wants to rule. Thus the plan for New Thassilon went from her once-upon-a-time strategy to conquer the region, to establishing a nation of those who would willingly choose her as their immortal Lord.

I think she works either way you rule it, and the stasis version is more likely when compared to the other Runelords. I just like the horror implied by my version, that's all.


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I'm considering a campaign set around the time Thassilon was founded, so I've been thinking about the original 7 runelords. As a Thassilonian Enchantment Specialist, Sorshen would want to periodically check on her enchantments to make sure her ensorcelled minions weren't faking. In a similar vein, I would expect her to want updates on the status of Golarion while she waited in the Eye of Desire.

As to whether Sorshen was fully conscious or slumbering-but-semi-conscious, my take is that it is a combination of both but leaning heavily towards semi-conscious--just aware enough to receive news updates and consider what they mean for her plans and update her plans accordingly while not losing a wink of her beauty sleep.

One thing to remember about Sorshen is that she is the genius who reverse-engineered and improved upon the Everdawn Pool to create runewells. She set the standard for runewells, and--in accordance to Xin's benevolent vision--shared the design for runewells with her peers, something she later regretted per Secrets of Roderic's Cove. Xanderghul, the other runelord who governed from Xin's original appointments until Earthfall, created a runewell, but his pride wouldn't let him ride out the aftermath of Earthfall in something someone else designed, so it's unlikely that he would have made the effort to improve upon it. Karzoug, Alaznist, and Belimarius were the final runelords of their Thassilonian specialties, so they didn't have much time to try to improve Sorshen's design; the Return of the Runelords Timeline shows that Alaznist completed hers 17 years before Earthfall, so Karzoug probably had about the same amount of time, and Belimarius had to rush the job working from Karzoug's intentionally erroneous "Runewells for Dummies" handbook.

What I'm getting at here is that, while the other runelords had the "standard" runewell design, Sorshen had 1,159 years to upgrade the Eye of Desire. Whereas the other runelords had the runewell equivalent of the cave-built MCU Iron Man armor, she likely upgraded the Eye of Desire to the equivalent of the nanotech MCU Iron Man armor. Her Eye of Desire probably had secondary alarms to wake her up periodically (every century? every millenia?) even if the master alarm hadn't activated yet so she can get up and stretch her legs and double-check that nothing's amiss before going back to sleep. It likely had communications inputs to get news from her vampiric followers and probably had scrying features as well. The Eye of Desire probably enabled Sorshen to remain asleep but enter a state of semi-consciousness whenever news updates came in so that she could consider what they meant for her plans and update her plans accordingly. Over the millenia, that level of awareness gave her the time to reflect upon her life. Coupled with what she found when she emerged after Karzoug (and probably Ileosa) was defeated, that was enough for her to decide that she was done with Evil (but she's not ready to be Good--at least not yet. Ten thousand years from now...who knows?).

Askar Avari, that's an interesting take on her time inside the Eye of Desire. However, I'm not a fan of horror, so I'll be going with what I said above. Plus, I would expect that the immortality that we see in the game comes with the mental/emotional tolerance to deal with the passage of thousands, millions, billions, trillions, etc. of years without any problems unless Something Goes Very Wrong or The Plot/Storyline Demands It or both.

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