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So, been reading up more on Return of the Runelords and whatnot, since I'm currently going through Shattered Star at the moment and I want to see what may or may not be relevant. I got a bit burned on continuity because an NPC got killed in Crimson Throne that was supposed to show up again in Carrion Crown - the PC's weren't super-fussed about killing him and would have let him live, but I thought writing him off was no issue. Not making that mistake again.

Anyway, on topic, question about Sorshen and the Eye of Desire is this: So far, I know that she retreated into a private demiplane to ride out Earthfall, and she only became active on Golarion again around the beginning of Rise of the Runelords when Karzoug started making a mess. She watched, schemed, and decided not to be completely evil this time around.

Question was; was she actually conscious and aware of all those ten thousand years while in her demiplane? Or did she put herself into stasis inside of that demiplane so that all those millennia passed by in the blink of an eye? Even if she kept it well-furnished with plenty of things to do, eventually all that gets old - and she'd already have been at least 1,100 years old by that point.

I know that she's done self-reflection to try and become a better person out of self-preservation instinct, but wondering if that was done over like, 18-ish years (from 4702) or over like 10,000.

You don’t get power from the Good goddess of redemption if you’re a non-Good murderous zealot. I assume they’re like Iomedae’s former Neutral faithful - severed from divine power.

Yeah, you can absolutely tell a story of "followers of a good god take things seriously too far" but Sarenrae is absolutely the last deity who you should do this with (like "evil Shelynites" make more sense than "evil Sarenrites").

Ragathiel, Angraddd, Milani, etc. are better choices for this kind of story.

Oh, I know - I mean, in Pathfinder/DnD-type settings you need a certain level of mental disconnect to allow for any form of straying from a god's tenents for a Church given that if they do, the clerics lose their powers. I mean sure the Gods aren't helicopter parents but there's a difference between 'one person did something bad' and 'an entire church with thousands/tens of thousads of adherents has gone astray'. So the CoD was always kind of anomalous.

I was mostly just asking out of curiosity - whether their status is up in the air, retgonned, or in the definitive 'they crossed one too many lines and lost Sarenrae's favor, and are probably in chaos as a result' camp. I'm not as familiar with Lost Omens lore and whatnot.

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Was curious if the Cult of the Dawnflower still existed in-lore in Qadira, or whether they've just been retgonned out of existence.

If it's the latter I'll understand but be very unhappy, mostly because I find the idea of a bunch of hyper-zealous fanatics going on jihads in the name of a Good Goddess of Redemption fairly interesting. They were basically on the edge of losing their clerical powers and divine magic from Sarenrae, weren't they? But Sarenrae is the Goddess of Redemption (and is worshipped on multiple worlds so her attention is spread thin), and that involves giving everyone a chance, including these dudes.

I've always found that dichotomy interesting, and was hoping to see it get addressed in an adventure module or AP one day. It getting retgonned feels like a waste.

But I've done enough reading to know that JJ really dislikes these dudes so if they've just been quietly smothered, fair enough.