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Cthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: "Of or relating to the underworld," and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
Aklo is public domain (having been invented over a hundred years ago by writer Arthur Machen in his short story "The White People").
And Sakvroth has been a Darklands language since the start; we're now transitioning to it as a name we own rather than one we borrowed.
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Cthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: "Of or relating to the underworld," and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
I love this piece of lore. I had read hints of this from posters far more knowledgeable than I about the setting, and it is good to have your vision on this. Thank you.
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In Warhammer 40k there is a famous planet called Cthonia where people live underground and thanks to you James I learned a nugget of trivia for that gameCthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: "Of or relating to the underworld," and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
Aklo is public domain (having been invented over a hundred years ago by writer Arthur Machen in his short story "The White People").
And Sakvroth has been a Darklands language since the start; we're now transitioning to it as a name we own rather than one we borrowed.
I have phenomenal news about where Cthulhu most likely got his name from.
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Cthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: "Of or relating to the underworld," and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
Aklo is public domain (having been invented over a hundred years ago by writer Arthur Machen in his short story "The White People").
And Sakvroth has been a Darklands language since the start; we're now transitioning to it as a name we own rather than one we borrowed.
Thanks! I infer from this that my supposition about Empyrean is correct. How about Fey vs. Sylvan?
Cthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: “Of or relating to the underworld,” and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
Aklo is public domain (having been invented over a hundred years ago by writer Arthur Machen in his short story “The White People”).
And Sakvroth has been a Darklands language since the start; we're now transitioning to it as a name we own rather than one we borrowed.
What is being replaced by Sakvroth, then? It's not Undercommon, as that still appears as a language in the adventure. Wasn't Sakvroth the name for the “drow sign language”? Now that there aren't any drow anymore, what is the new background for this language?
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What is being replaced by Sakvroth, then? It's not Undercommon, as that still appears as a language in the adventure. Wasn't Sakvroth the name for the “drow sign language”? Now that there aren't any drow anymore, what is the new background for this language?Cthonian is the new name for Abyssal, since the word itself means precisely that: “Of or relating to the underworld,” and the Outer Rifts are a full-on supernatural underworld.
Aklo is public domain (having been invented over a hundred years ago by writer Arthur Machen in his short story “The White People”).
And Sakvroth has been a Darklands language since the start; we're now transitioning to it as a name we own rather than one we borrowed.
I'm guessing it's the Snakefolk language?
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Sakvroth was the name for drow sign language, but since we're not using drow in the remastered game and since sign language is (as of 2nd edition) a standard part of any language, the word Sakvroth no longer points to something in the Darklands we can use, so we're replacing the word "Undercommon" with the word "Sakvroth."
Orvian is still in the game too. Sakvroth is the "common tonuge" of the Darklands though.
The serpentfolk language is Aklo.
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Sakvroth was the name for drow sign language, but since we're not using drow in the remastered game and since sign language is (as of 2nd edition) a standard part of any language, the word Sakvroth no longer points to something in the Darklands we can use, so we're replacing the word "Undercommon" with the word "Sakvroth."
Orvian is still in the game too. Sakvroth is the "common tonuge" of the Darklands though.
The serpentfolk language is Aklo.
Ah ok, I was confused because "Mantle of Gold" uses both Sakvroth and Undercommon.
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Ah ok, I was confused because "Mantle of Gold" uses both Sakvroth and Undercommon.Sakvroth was the name for drow sign language, but since we're not using drow in the remastered game and since sign language is (as of 2nd edition) a standard part of any language, the word Sakvroth no longer points to something in the Darklands we can use, so we're replacing the word "Undercommon" with the word "Sakvroth."
Orvian is still in the game too. Sakvroth is the "common tonuge" of the Darklands though.
The serpentfolk language is Aklo.
That's becasue Mantle of Gold was written before the whole OGL/ORC mess started, and it went through some complicated and panicked scrambles during development where we weren't sure if we could even publish anything using the OGL, so there was a fair amount of back and forth in the form of word replacement.
In the end, when it became apparent that the OGL was safe enough for now to publish this Adventure Path as an OGL adventure, we relaxed, and it sounds like that resulted in us using both terms in the same adventure. Think of this as growing pains, I guess.
An OGL adventure can use both "Sakvroth" and "Undercommon" for the same language, but it's not ideal because it's kind of confusing (in the same way we could use "Taldan" and "Common" at the same time).
An ORC adventure (which this is not) could only use "Sakvroth."
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the explanation, James.
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After reading more of Rage of Elements, it seems Fey will be replacing Sylvan. That's probably for the best, or else I'd struggle to remember Muan.
Will Daemonic, Infernal, or Shadowtongue be taking new names under the ORC license?
Daemonic and Shadowtongue are names we invented. Infernal is not; that's a D&D-invented language from 3rd edition, so we'll be renaming it, but I'm not sure we've revealed that one publicly yet so that'll have to wait a bit. (Even though "infernal" is a real word, part of the remaster is distancing ourselves from OGL associations, and this is a prime example of that sort of thing.)
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That makes sense. You can't be too careful.
Infernal is not; that's a D&D-invented language from 3rd edition, so we'll be renaming it, but I'm not sure we've revealed that one publicly yet so that'll have to wait a bit. (Even though "infernal" is a real word, part of the remaster is distancing ourselves from OGL associations, and this is a prime example of that sort of thing.)
I thought I read Avernal somewhere but not sure where and it is possible I just went there in my head after seeing the
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Daemonic and Shadowtongue are names we invented. Infernal is not; that's a D&D-invented language from 3rd edition, so we'll be renaming it, but I'm not sure we've revealed that one publicly yet so that'll have to wait a bit. (Even though "infernal" is a real word, part of the remaster is distancing ourselves from OGL associations, and this is a prime example of that sort of thing.)After reading more of Rage of Elements, it seems Fey will be replacing Sylvan. That's probably for the best, or else I'd struggle to remember Muan.
Will Daemonic, Infernal, or Shadowtongue be taking new names under the ORC license?
Thanks for the reply. I always liked how in PF 1e, the daemons didn't have their own language but always were fluent in Infernal and Abyssal, as if they would switch sides based on whoever made them the best offer.
Thanks for the reply. I always liked how in PF 1e, the daemons didn't have their own language but always were fluent in Infernal and Abyssal, as if they would switch sides based on whoever made them the best offer.Daemonic and Shadowtongue are names we invented. Infernal is not; that's a D&D-invented language from 3rd edition, so we'll be renaming it, but I'm not sure we've revealed that one publicly yet so that'll have to wait a bit. (Even though "infernal" is a real word, part of the remaster is distancing ourselves from OGL associations, and this is a prime example of that sort of thing.)After reading more of Rage of Elements, it seems Fey will be replacing Sylvan. That's probably for the best, or else I'd struggle to remember Muan.
Will Daemonic, Infernal, or Shadowtongue be taking new names under the ORC license?
See, the issue is that PF daemons aren't really "pick whichever side works the best for them at the time", that's dnd daemons/yugoloths. PF daemons are more "so omnicidal that both the devils and demons are willing to team up to beat them at times".