Hordeline - Error?


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I've been reading about Lastwall on the Pathfinder wiki, and I think I've noticed a continuity error. According to the page on Lastwall itself, the Hordeline was the third border line between Lastwall and Belkzen (after the Sunwall, and Harchrist's Blockade, both failed), and was constructed after Harchrist's Blockade was overrun in 4517. But according to the page on the Hordeline itself, the Hordeline it was created in 4515 and overrun two years later in 4517, which seems to be describing Harchrist's blockade.

Could someone with access to both books check the citations for both those articles? And if they are both "correct", maybe a passing writer could weigh in on which is the canonical Hordeline?


Lastwall wiki entry

The Lastwall entry only has one footnoted citation:

Citation:
James L. Sutter. (2008). The Hold of Belkzen. Skeletons of Scarwall, p. 60–61. Paizo Publishing, LLC. ISBN 978-1-60125-099-5

Hordeline wiki entry

The Hordeline entry has three citations

Citations
Greg A. Vaughan et al. (2008). Skeletons of Scarwall, p. 60–61. Paizo Publishing, LLC. ISBN 978-1-60125-099-5

Tim Hitchcock and Alyssa Faden. (2013). Castles of the Inner Sea, p. 5. Paizo Publishing, LLC. ISBN 978-1-60125-508-2

Judy Bauer, Logan Bonner, Nicolas Logue, and Matt Vancil. (2013). Towns of the Inner Sea, p. 55. Paizo Publishing, LLC. ISBN 978-1-60125-576-1

I only have "Towns Of The Inner Sea".

In the most recent publication (Lost Omens: Knights of Lastwall, 2022), the timeline shows:

Quote:
4517 ar Lastwall’s northern border, the Hordeline, falls to Belkzen. Castle Everstand is magically erected by a crusader’s lucky draw from a deck of many things.

That's the only mention of Hordeline in that book. Sunwall and Harchrist's Blockade are not referenced at all.


Towns Of The Inner Sea, 2013. Pg 55

Quote:

History Of Trunau

Since its border was first established after the defeat of the Whispering Tyrant in 3828 AR, the Hold of Belkzen has steadily expanded south into Lastwall, pushing back line after line of crusaders and leaving countless miles of shattered border fortresses to rot within the orc-held territory. In 4515, beleaguered soldiers and farmers pushed to the limit by nearly 300 years of active war since the fall of Harchist's Blockade crafted a new border dubbed the Hordeline, a sad affair consisting of little more than earthen ramparts and wooden palisades, and made their stand along the Kestrel River. Still, it held long enough for those communities behind it to feel some measure of hope that the orc menace had finally been halted.

It was not to be. Shortly after the Hordeline's construction, its wstern stretch fell, and orcs flooded south into Lastwall. The commanders of Lastwall reluctantly ordered yet another general evacuation, pulling back to a new border farther east, and leaving those residents in the relinquished territory to flee to safety with whatever they could carry, desperate to stay one step ahead of the rampaging orcs.

Yet not everyone fled. Enraged by what they saw as Lastwall's cowardly betrayal, the farmers and retired crusaders in the placid settlement of Trunau refuesed to run. Positioned on top of a rocky, naturally defensible hill, the community dug in, shapening stakes and digging pits, their numbers swelling with refugees and soldiers unwilling to retreat and abandon their friends. When the orcs inevitably arrived, they found their ferocity more than matched by that of Trunau's defenders, and after taking heavy losses assaulting the cliffs and log palisades, the invaders retreed south to loot bacated settlements.

Heady with victory, .......

Harchist is the spelling in this book


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I was asked by Dancing Wind to dig up some citations!

Castles of the Inner Sea wrote:

When Lastwall’s defensive barricade, known as the Hordeline, fell in 4515 AR, the avalanche of rampaging

orc war bands was difficult to stem.
Skeletons of Scarwall wrote:

The first border, a great line of uniform fortresses known as the Sunwall, was established upon Tar-Baphon’s defeat in 3828 AR, and stood for over 400 years. Upon its fall, the great General Harchist dug in on the banks of the River Esk and created a new line of strongholds, complete with a low stone wall connecting many of them. This new position held only half as long as the one before it, falling in 4237. The Hordeline, when it was grimly constructed in 4515 by demoralized soldiers and desperate farmers, was a sad affair—little more than earthen ramparts and crude wooden palisades. Lastwall’s current border, as of yet unnamed, has held well due to an influx of money and troops from the country’s southern reaches, but wise officials know that, unless something changes, it’s only a matter of time before the orcs once again turn their attentions south and history repeats itself.

[...]

When the Hordeline was breached 200 years ago and the borders of Lastwall receded to their current position, most farmers in the disputed area abandoned their homes with haste.

Canon's been a little messy, but I'm 99% sure you can say the Hordeline was the third boundary, raised in 4515 and falling in 4517. That 4515 fall seems to be an error, and Harchist's Blockade was apparently long before.

It's interesting that parts of that History of Trunau sidebar are copied verbatim from one in Skeletons of Scarwall titled 'Lastwall's Shifting Borders.'


You are the best, keftiu.

Thanks for posting that info.

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