| Kharsus |
Hi,
I'm reading the WOTR AP and I'm in the part with Alderpash.
It says that his binding has a small chance of being dispelled by mage's disjunction, because the binding is casted at CL 27.
But on the description of mage's disjunction, it just says that spells are dispelled, there is no mention of rolls to dispel spells.
"All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are unraveled and destroyed completely (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item for the duration of this spell. An item in a creature’s possession uses its own Will save bonus or its possessor’s Will save bonus, whichever is higher. If an item’s saving throw results in a natural 1 on the die, the item is destroyed instead of being suppressed."
What am I missing, and how is the difficulty of the roll calculated?
Thanks :D
| Azothath |
Disjunction:A9
you posted it but maybe didn't get it.
Permanent items(aka magic items or spells with a permanent duration) get a Will save or are mundane(suppressed) for the duration of Disjunction (then it goes back to being Magical).
Active spells get dispelled.
Binding:C8 and 3 of 6 effects are permanent. The last paragraph in the spell description also applies.
Lastly, Saving Throw A magic item's saving throw bonuses are each equal to 2 + 1/2 the item's caster level in case it's not given. So +15 in this case. It's very close to 27 -10 or +17 which would be a common guess. Rather than bandy numbers about the author should have just listed it (poor editing). As a 'magic item' it would have to roll a "1" to be dispelled/broken/ended otherwise it is just suppressed for the duration or not affected.
example: A creature (Will Save of +15) has activated a Ring of Invisibility so it is now invisible. A few rounds later it is in the area of effect burst of a Disjunction cast be a wizard with a DC of 10 +9(spell level) +5(ability score of 20) = 24. The invisibility effect on the creature is dispelled and ends. The Ring gets a save with a roll of 10 +15=25 and thus saves and remains magical. The creature on its turn then activates the ring within the AoE and goes invisible as the save says "Will negates(object)" so the ring is not affected nor is the new invisibility effect. The burst does not continue as it is not an emanation, see Aiming a Spell.
In this case the Wizard could not target the invisible Ring at the time of casting Disjunction.
| Kharsus |
you posted it but maybe didn't get it.
Permanent items(aka magic items or spells with a permanent duration) get a Will save or are mundane(suppressed) for the duration of Disjunction (then it goes back to being Magical).
Active spells get dispelled.
Binding:C8 and 3 of 6 effects are permanent. The last paragraph in the spell description also applies.
Lastly, Saving Throw A magic item's saving throw bonuses are each equal to 2 + 1/2 the item's caster level in case it's not given. So +15 in this case. It's very close to 27 -10 or +17 which would be a common guess. Rather than bandy numbers about the author should have just listed it (poor editing). As a 'magic item' it would have to roll a "1" to be dispelled/broken/ended otherwise it is just suppressed for the duration or not affected.example: A creature (Will Save of +15) has activated a Ring of Invisibility so it is now invisible. A few rounds later it is in the area of effect burst of a Disjunction cast be a wizard with a DC of 10 +9(spell level) +5(ability score of 20) = 24. The invisibility effect on the creature is dispelled and ends. The Ring gets a save with a roll of 10 +15=25 and thus saves and remains magical. The creature on its turn then activates the ring within the AoE and goes invisible as the save says "Will negates(object)" so the ring is not affected nor is the new invisibility effect. The burst does not continue as it is not an emanation, see Aiming a Spell.
In this case the Wizard could not target the invisible Ring at the time of casting Disjunction.
Thanks, so it is considered as a magic item, not a spell.
In that case,the DC is 24 and it has +15 on the save roll. So rolling under 9 is a fail for the item and the binding is unraveled, am I right?If I am, this is more than a "small chance", as it is said in the AP.
| Azothath |
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Thanks, so it is considered as a magic item, not a spell.
In that case,the DC is 24 and it has +15 on the save roll. So rolling under 9 is a fail for the item and the binding is unraveled, am I right?If I am, this is more than a "small chance", as it is said in the
AP.
I reviewed the AP. It's rather high level and almost mythic.
{I'm going to obscure the names but you should know what I'm talking about}There's a bird cage, a pocket full of silver, and an old guy.
The birdcage is a permanent spell. The pocket full of silver is a magic item. The old guy is chatty with a SnsMtv +37.
The cage, the pocket, and the old guy's active spells & items could be affected by a Disjunction. The old guy is smart enough to have things put away (and safe) if he thinks Diplomacy is wise and the PCs have certain spells readied. If he knows certain spells aren't available then he has more options.
The old guy being clever knows that with a small change the pocket could be submerged under plain water which would cut or end the line of effect and the pocket would be safe. Metals are denser than water.
=end of spoiler=
For both magic items and permanent spells it would take a roll of natural "1" on the save to be 'unraveled'/dismissed.
With +15 verses DC 24 it is likely to;
A)(60%) to negate the Disjunction, or
B)(35%) simply be suppressed for the duration of the Disjunction (which works for the plot), or
C)(5%) be dismissed.
| Kharsus |
Kharsus wrote:...
Thanks, so it is considered as a magic item, not a spell.
In that case,the DC is 24 and it has +15 on the save roll. So rolling under 9 is a fail for the item and the binding is unraveled, am I right?If I am, this is more than a "small chance", as it is said in the
AP.I reviewed the AP. It's rather high level and almost mythic.
{I'm going to obscure the names but you should know what I'm talking about}
** spoiler omitted **
For both magic items and permanent spells it would take a roll of natural "1" on the save to be 'unraveled'/dismissed.With +15 verses DC 24 it is likely to;
A)(60%) to negate the Disjunction, or
B)(35%) simply be suppressed for the duration of the Disjunction (which works for the plot), or
C)(5%) be dismissed.
Thanks :D