Alternate add new thiefling abilities


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If you take an alternate thiefling ability what do you have to give up?


it replaces the one it says it replaces.


if you mean the alt bloodlines (like pit-born etc) then:

- you change the normal abilities bonus and penalties (+2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma) to the ones the sub-race give.
- the +2 to two skills the normal tiefling get (+2 racial bonus on Bluff and Stealth check) to +2 to two other skills the sub-race mention.
- and the darkness spell like ability to the spell like ability the sub-race give.(it's still set to 1/day)

so for example a tiefling pitborn (demon spawn) would not get the normal tiefling abilities i mentioned and get these instead:
Ability Modifiers +2 Str, +2 Cha, –2 Int
Alternate Skill Modifiers Disable Device, Perception
Alternate Spell-Like Ability Pitborn gain shatter as a spell-like ability.

a common tiefling commoner (as in has 10 base in all attributes) would have:
str 10, dex 12, con 10, int 12, wis 10, cha 8. +2 to bluff and stealth and darkness sla 1/day

while a pitborn commoner (again 10 base states) would have :
str 12, dex 10, con 10, int 8, wis 10, cha 12. +2 to disable device and perception and can cast shatter 1/day as a sla.

the other tiefling racial abilities of the two would be the same (unless changed via other alt abilities)


Variant Abilities and Physical Features wrote:

"...The abilities presented here replace a tiefling’s spell-like ability racial trait..."

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VoodistMonk wrote:

Variant Abilities and Physical Features wrote:

"...The abilities presented here replace a tiefling’s spell-like ability racial trait..."

Which means you can only use the option with normal tiefling, since all the alternate ones change their SLA and you can't both alter and replace the same thing

So to expand on the example above, you can't be a pit born and take the alternate ability since pitborn replaces darkness with shatter. You can't also replace shatter with another ability since it's already a replacement ability.


I always looked at the variant heritage as a completely new starting point... so what if it has a different SLA? Whatever that new SLA is, you can still trade it for a Variant Ability or Physical Feature.

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VoodistMonk wrote:
I always looked at the variant heritage as a completely new starting point... so what if it has a different SLA? Whatever that new SLA is, you can still trade it for a Variant Ability or Physical Feature.

You could argue the same thing about archetypes for classes being a new starting point. But we know that's not the case.

Alternate Spell-Like Ability: The listed spell replaces the standard tieflings darkness 1/day spell-like ability and also functions once per day as a spell-like ability.

And

The abilities presented here replace a tiefling’s spell-like ability racial trait. Any abilities that grant spells or spell-like abilities are treated as having a caster level equal to the tiefling’s character level.

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