As the title.
If I cast a Fireball at maximum range, does the explosion continue past it (giving an effective range of 520 feet)? Or does it simply fizzle out past 500 feet?
Also, what about Wall spells: if I cast a Wall spell at maximum range, does the entirety of the Wall have to be in range, or only one part of it?
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I don't see why not. The range is limit of the "point" where your spell starts. If it's affect after this could go further I don't see a reason to it not go on.
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The only area shape that I can think of that would have this interaction (both an area and a range) would be a burst spell like Fireball.
And yeah, the range for a burst spell uses the example of Fireball - which has a 500 ft range. And the rule says that the origin point of the burst is a grid corner that is within that 500 ft range and that the effect extends to the squares within 20 feet of that origin point.
Which includes the squares 518 feet away from you.
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Regarding this quote:
Spells with a range can affect targets, create areas, or make things appear only within that range. Most spell ranges are measured in feet, though some can stretch over miles, reach anywhere on the planet, or go even farther!
My argument is that the area is being created (its defining origin point is) within the spell's range.
Regarding this quote:
Spells with a range can affect targets, create areas, or make things appear only within that range. Most spell ranges are measured in feet, though some can stretch over miles, reach anywhere on the planet, or go even farther!My argument is that the area is being created (its defining origin point is) within the spell's range.
That's an interesting point, but the reason I bring up Walls as an example is because they don't actually have an Area entry compared to spells like Fireball, hence why I wonder if the entirety of the wall must be constrained to within the range of the spell.
They list dimensions in their description, but it's not an actual Area entry, which gives me pause, even though it essentially behaves like an Area entry, in a sense.
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Yeah, for walls I would go with the 'make things appear' part of the rule. So the entirety of the wall would need to be within the listed range.
Summoning spells are another interesting case. I think that their initial summoning would have to be within range - for the entire creature if they take up more than one square. For that same 'make things appear' clause. But after that, unless they have a maximum distance from the caster that is listed in the spell, then they can be commanded to move outside that range. The ones that I spot checked didn't have any such restriction.
Regarding this quote:
Spells with a range can affect targets, create areas, or make things appear only within that range. Most spell ranges are measured in feet, though some can stretch over miles, reach anywhere on the planet, or go even farther!My argument is that the area is being created (its defining origin point is) within the spell's range.
Interesting. So is fireball real range (500 feet - 20-foot burst)?
Interesting. So is fireball real range (500 feet - 20-foot burst)?Regarding this quote:
Spells with a range can affect targets, create areas, or make things appear only within that range. Most spell ranges are measured in feet, though some can stretch over miles, reach anywhere on the planet, or go even farther!My argument is that the area is being created (its defining origin point is) within the spell's range.
I don't think so. There is an express example that was quoted in the rules for Burst effects (which Fireball certainly is) which uses Fireball in it that states that the explosion centers within 500 feet, and that the explosion still radiates 20 feet out from there.
That being said, that seems to be more of an exception to Bursts than it is that the general rule of effects with Areas can extend past the listed range, since other Area-based spells (as well as walls) don't have that kind of exception.
I was largely curious with the Walls more than anything, and it appears I have found my next item to bring up with my Sunday group for rules clarifications.
OK then I change my question to a more boolean condition.
So Chain Lightning max jump range is 500 feet from caster and and 30 feet from each target? If one of these conditions is false the spell can't jump to a new target?
OK then I change my question to a more boolean condition.
So Chain Lightning max jump range is 500 feet from caster and and 30 feet from each target? If one of these conditions is false the spell can't jump to a new target?
I'll reiterate what Baarogue said, because it's correct. This is because Chain Lightning does not have an Area entry and is not a Burst effect, giving it the exception to expand out of its listed range, so long as the origin point of the Burst is within range.
But, assuming you have line of sight and line of effect to every desired target, it will work so long as each target is within 30 feet of each other, and within 500 feet of the initial spell.
That being said, I always thought Chain Lightning had only a 30 foot range, though, and the jumps could happen indefinitely outside that, but maybe I'm misremembering something.
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yes, if the spell would ever exceed either 500ft from the caster...OK then I change my question to a more boolean condition.
So Chain Lightning max jump range is 500 feet from caster and and 30 feet from each target? If one of these conditions is false the spell can't jump to a new target?
I would agree with that. It falls under the 'affect targets' part of this rule.
Spells with a range can affect targets, create areas, or make things appear only within that range. Most spell ranges are measured in feet, though some can stretch over miles, reach anywhere on the planet, or go even farther!