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there is a lot of interesting camera work and the way some of the scenes when he is interacting with the other personality in the mirror are really neat.
I am not deeply familiar with the comics but was watching with a fan of them. Seems indeed not fanservicey which I really like. So far it seems like its own story not building toward the next phase, which is refreshing. Hope that holds.
Overall I am enjoying it, I like the mythology refs, and I like Steven and Layla.
I don't need him and Layla to be Steven and Layla, though if the show goes that way I'll still be a fan
I'm not sure I'm following this train of thought, but if that's in response to me saying "I like Steven and Layla," I meant "I like the character of Steven and I also like the character of Layla." I didn't mean whatever else it was you meant--shipping, I guess? Nah. I expect there will be some romance offered because they often do that in Marvel, but not my thing. I could do less with romance in my superheroes overall, generally speaking, with very rare exception and usually involving queer women.
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Don't you just hate it when the villains are good at seeming affable? ;)
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I’ve got to admit, I don’t think there was much about this episode I didn’t like. Even this new version of Steven Grant is kind of growing on me (though I still dislike the changes they made to the character from the comics). At least he proved useful, and I even think I detected a bit of grudging acceptance from Khonshu.
Loved the fight sequence. Lots of Moon Knight action.
I liked seeing Anton Mogart. He was slightly different from the comics, mostly regarding the way he operated. It worked, though. I’m only sad the actor died and we might not get a chance to see the character again (unless they recast).
I liked the conclave of the gods, and the idea there are other human servants. I’m really hoping that’s something they might explore further in the comics.
I liked the name-dropping of Madripoor.
The performances by Ethan Hawke and Oscar Isaac continue to impress me. I almost hope they leave the Harrow character alive at the end of this, just so we have a chance to see him again.
There were hints of another personality, one that’s more ruthless and bloodthirsty. Not sure how I feel about that, as it’s kind of a big departure from the comics, where the Spector persona was often the hard ass who got the ugly stuff done. Still, hints like this give me hope that we could eventually see Jake. And if we get Jake, we might get Gena (and her kids), Crawley, and Frenchie.
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...so If Ammit gets out and starts messing with the world...won't the other gods just lock her up the way they just did with Khonshu?
Or is it a split second She gets out half the world sort of dies thing
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Khonshu: "Our case against Harrow must be Airtight"
Khonshu presents his airtight case: "This guy is evil and you should totally let me kill him. Plus you guys are Chicken Sh#$"
Gods: "No"
Khonshu: Shocked Pickachiu face
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...so If Ammit gets out and starts messing with the world...won't the other gods just lock her up the way they just did with Khonshu?
Or is it a split second She gets out half the world sort of dies thing
From what I saw in this episode, it might be that she kills the avatars of the other gods, thus rendering them (at least temporarily) helpless to interfere while she then starts slaughtering folk. Maybe. That’s my guess, anyway.
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From what I saw in this episode, it might be that she kills the avatars of the other gods, thus rendering them (at least temporarily) helpless to interfere while she then starts slaughtering folk. Maybe. That’s my guess, anyway....so If Ammit gets out and starts messing with the world...won't the other gods just lock her up the way they just did with Khonshu?
Or is it a split second She gets out half the world sort of dies thing
Not everyone can be judged by Harrow, as per his inability to judge Steven in Episode 1; similarly I'm sure there will be limits to Ammit's power 'if' she manages to come back from the Overvoid.
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Again, that's probably a BIG reach there so you all tell me how far out of my depths I am. Oh, and also, I don't think Konshu turned...
He can manipulate the skies, but the other gods really hate when he does, which led to his imprisonment. They just needed the starts to appear as per that night long ago, i.e. no time-travel involved.
The interesting part is that he showed Steven Grant how to do it, and could have transferred his power into him just before he got yanked back to Giza and turned to stone...
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The Ennead won't be the only pantheon for Gor's slaughter. Even if they haven't been the focus of the MCU yet, they'll most likely pull from any pantheon they want for that. Black Panther's Bast is part of the Ennead, interestingly, and there's speculation that Black Panther could be her avatar.
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Not everyone can be judged by Harrow, as per his inability to judge Steven in Episode 1; similarly I'm sure there will be limits to Ammit's power 'if' she manages to come back from the Overvoid.From what I saw in this episode, it might be that she kills the avatars of the other gods, thus rendering them (at least temporarily) helpless to interfere while she then starts slaughtering folk. Maybe. That’s my guess, anyway....so If Ammit gets out and starts messing with the world...won't the other gods just lock her up the way they just did with Khonshu?
Or is it a split second She gets out half the world sort of dies thing
I’d have to go back and watch again, but I thought when Harrow tried to judge Steven it just came out as a balanced scale. Maybe it’s because he’s an Avatar, but I was under the impression that Harrow couldn’t judge Steven because it’s not just Steven in the body. There are at least two other personalities (one we know, one hinted at), which seems to have thrown the reading off. It’s hard to say what actually happened without explaining a bit more how Ammit actually judges folk. At the moment, she seems to kind of have a mystic version of the Insight Algorithm from Winter Soldier.
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Ok, so per Konshu the gods live in the "overvoid," whatever that is. I'm guessing its kind of like Asgard, so maybe another planet or something. Aren't there rumors of Gor the God Butcher coming up in the next Thor movie?
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Again, that's probably a BIG reach there so you all tell me how far out of my depths I am. Oh, and also, I don't think Konshu turned...
I wasn’t much into Thor (or Marvel) when the older Gor stuff was put out, but from recent comics I got the impression he also slaughtered a lot of gods from alien worlds as well. Which could be a cool, kind of back door way to introduce some alien races. I think the Shi’ar were really religious at times.
Ace,
Only when he's got Khonshu's favor. That might change.
As for the Overvoid, it's less 'Asgard' and more like The Dark Dimension in terms of it USED to be the Celestial Heliopolis before Set came along and ruined it.
As for Gor...I don't think he'll be playing any significant role, mostly because it seems the Ennead aren't as active as say, the Greek or the Norse Gods. Though I'd imagine that other pantheons MIGHT be seen slain by Gor in the upcoming movie.
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Based on the trailer for Love and Thunder, looks like we're getting the royal treatment on Olympus, Zeus and the rest of the Greek gods. I'm hoping we see a lot of Hercules, and that he survives Gor's butchering.
I'm pretty sure Zeus is gonna bite the bullet, seeing that he's being played by Russel Crowe... :P and seeing how the director dealt with the Warriors Three back in Ragnarok... :(
PDK,
Honestly I don't think the city where we see the back of Russel Crowe's Zeus is Olympus. I'm MORE convinced it's Omnipotence City, which I think might tie back into Moon Knight MAYBE.
I do agree with you, we need Hercules.
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I think the only thing I didn’t really like about this episode was that at times it was so dark on screen I had trouble seeing things.
Steven is getting more confident, I think thanks to his interactions with Layla, Marc, and Khonshu. Although, him and Marc continuing to fight over the body is getting really annoying.
Layla is proving to be (to me anyway) very much like Marlene from the comics: smart, resourceful, and skilled (I’m guessing due to some training by Marc, in part).
I liked the tomb sequence. The undead priests were creepy. The halls and rooms were kind of narrow and confining. Dark and gloomy.
Marc’s confession to Layla about what happened to her father was cool. They pulled from the comics, so I’m hoping maybe they’re setting up the old Bushman in New York storyline for a future season.
That ending I think was inspired by stuff from several years ago, when they really started delving into the characters DID. I look forward to seeing who’s in the third sarcophagus. Maybe it’ll be Jake Lockley, but I’m hoping for a new persona.
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Loving the series so far, as a good introduction to a character I've never been particularly interested in.
The start of episode 4 was a little off, but at least Layla's victory over the very stupid mooks was reasonable.
The ending was hilarious and I loved the work done to sell the 'maybe it is all in his head' aspect.
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Honestly I don't think the city where we see the back of Russel Crowe's Zeus is Olympus. I'm MORE convinced it's Omnipotence City, which I think might tie back into Moon Knight MAYBE.
Based on a few youtube analysis, looks like this jumble of weird relative gravity ancient district cityscapes will be Olympus, as weird and funky as it looks. The same way they took artistic liberties with the MCU Asgard... (i.e. metallic instead of middle-agey...)
Who knows though? could be someone's twisted dream in the movie... ;)
No I don't think it's a dream. I still doubt it Olympus...but you're not wrong about the changes they did to Asgard.
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Overall, I liked this new episode. I thought the journey through the underworld combined well with the questioning reality of the mental hospital scenes. As expected, Oscar Isaac once again did a phenomenal job. I only wish we’d have seen who was in the third sarcophagus.
I liked the name drop of Bushman, and the mostly comics accurate Moon Knight origin.
I didn’t like the changes to Randall Spector’s death, but I can see why they did it.
I wasn’t too fond of they way they portrayed Taweret - way too playfully modern.
I think Steven finally completed his journey to being more heroic. I won’t be too upset if we don’t see him anymore, however, as maybe they could then move on to making MK more like the current comic incarnation.
one episode left and I'm still wondering if they'll show Jake or not. I am glad for Taweret trying to remember how it goes after being out of the loop/not busy for so long. I do think we haven't seen the last of Steven however.
It's a good theory Mark.
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Y'know, lots of folks have poked fun at Oscar Isaac's accent as Stephen. I liked it a lot, found it endearing, though last night it was a cute Easter egg for all the nay-sayers; don't be mad at a bad accent, it was bad on purpose: it was a pretend accent from a fictional character from Marc's childhood, adopted second hand by an alter.
There were some... brutal scenes in there last night. For me anyway. Suffice it to say I had a dad... anyway, it was tough. Still, the saddest was Stephen being left behind. I really do hope that's not the last we've seen of him but if it was, I thought he was wonderful.
Yeah, like AZ I had a disconnect with Taweret and the whole feather-and-scale mechanic. Not only was the goddess too modern/familiar, I thought the whole journey of the dead in the mythology was that a person passes, they're delivered to the afterlife, Taweret guides them through 7 gates, then ANUBIS weighs their heart and THEN, if they pass they go on to the "heaven" area or else they're fed to Amitt.
Since Amitt is trapped in this show, I can understand the tossing the dead into the sands, but the whole time on the boat and Taweret doing the weighing just felt weird to me. IDK, maybe I've got it wrong.
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It’s a solid theory. It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Y'know, lots of folks have poked fun at Oscar Isaac's accent as Stephen. I liked it a lot, found it endearing, though last night it was a cute Easter egg for all the nay-sayers; don't be mad at a bad accent, it was bad on purpose: it was a pretend accent from a fictional character from Marc's childhood, adopted second hand by an alter.
There were some... brutal scenes in there last night. For me anyway. Suffice it to say I had a dad... anyway, it was tough. Still, the saddest was Stephen being left behind. I really do hope that's not the last we've seen of him but if it was, I thought he was wonderful.
Yeah, like AZ I had a disconnect with Taweret and the whole feather-and-scale mechanic. Not only was the goddess too modern/familiar, I thought the whole journey of the dead in the mythology was that a person passes, they're delivered to the afterlife, Taweret guides them through 7 gates, then ANUBIS weighs their heart and THEN, if they pass they go on to the "heaven" area or else they're fed to Amitt.
Since Amitt is trapped in this show, I can understand the tossing the dead into the sands, but the whole time on the boat and Taweret doing the weighing just felt weird to me. IDK, maybe I've got it wrong.
As for the changes to how Egyptian mythology works, we know Konshu and Amitt aren't the only banished/sealed away/turned into statue Egyptian gods, since we saw Konshu put on a shelf with others. So it's possible that Anubis is there as well, and Taweret is filling in best she can. We're not dealing with how things worked in the Egyptian mythos during the times of the Pharoahs, we're dealing with it in the present day, and things have changed (including the gods knowledge of modern day technology and culture, so they can have adapted and picked up affectations).
Joel,
I think I saw somewhere on the web a listing of all the gods that have been turned into ushabti. Anubis was one of them.
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Loved the egyptian themed stuff. Although the adorable friendly hippo is still absolutely terrifying because I'd rather be in trouble with any other animal on the planet.
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I mean I had a drow wizard who was mythic that was deathly frightened of hippos...even though he only read about them.
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The final episode was pretty kick ass. The climatic battle was cool. I enjoyed seeing both Moon Knight and Mr. Knight in action. Layla being an avatar and helping the bind Ammit worked really well. I only wish they’d actually shown Harrow getting his ass kicked. I think it would have been a better introduction of Jake, but the way they pulled it off worked well enough.
Overall, I enjoyed most of the show. Especially the performances by Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke. I liked seeing both Moon Knight and Mr. Knight. I enjoyed the emphasis on Egyptian mythology. I would have preferred more comic book faithful interpretations of the three personalities: Steven as the wealthy philanthropist, Jake as more streetwise and friends-in-low-places, Marc as the dangerous ex-mercenary. I also wasn’t a total fan of the avatar idea, but it worked for the story they were telling. And it could potentially make Moon Knight a valuable asset for maybe the Defenders or Avengers.
If they continue with another series, I’d certainly like to see Moon Knight engage in a more street level crime frighting. Not sure I want to see Bushman, even though they left it open for his appearance. It’s too bad the guy who played Anton Mogart died. It might have been interesting to turn him into Midnight Man.
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they should have realized the willy old bird had an extra card to play.
I do hope Layla sticks around with Tawaret, Avatar of a Goddess of protection makes for a pretty good superhero.
Wow. Not quite Daredevil street fight, but definitely movie quality ending. I hope there's a second season. I want to see more of the other guy.
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Maybe I spend too much time on reddit, but did anyone else listen to Ammit and Khonshu and wonder, "Are they exes?"
I mean it's possible. Not like there's a Tindr app for Egyptian divinities...
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Since Amitt is trapped in this show, I can understand the tossing the dead into the sands, but the whole time on the boat and Taweret doing the weighing just felt weird to me. IDK, maybe I've got it wrong.
I got the impression she was doing the weighing like a practice SAT to see what was going on rather than the real judgement
"Oh wow, that is waaay off, need to work on the math skills pronto....."
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I just keep thinking of what Twitter is like in the MCU.
"Kaiju Fight in Cairo"
"Crocodile Lady got booty"
I just keep thinking of what Twitter is like in the MCU.
"Kaiju Fight in Cairo"
"Crocodile Lady got booty"
"this post is gonna get SOOOO many reTawerets
"I thoth i saw a putty bastet
" Amun to that
"Hraf-haf very funny
" I got fourty two judges but Anubis ain't one
MCU Twitter is probably pretty borked. Also no, Joel, but now that you mention it, I can see it.
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I wonder how MCU Twitter handled the headache of so many dead users suddenly coming back to life....