Battle Scion (Force Blaster)


Advice and Rules Questions


Some questions on the Force Blaster Archetype in The New Paths Compendium from Kobold Press.

When using the rapid blast ability could you use the force blast twice in a round either during a double move action or a Move/standard action?

Rapid Blast (Sp): At 2nd level, a blaster may use his force
blast ability as a move action instead of a standard action.

When using the rapid blast ability combined with the Multiple blast ability could you use the force blast twice in a round either during a double move action or a Move/standard action (actually using four blasts in one round)?

Multiple Blasts (Sp): At 10th level, a blaster may fire
two bolts per use of force blast instead of one. He may fire
both blasts at the same target or at two different targets
that may be no more than 10 feet apart. At 17th level, a
blaster may instead fire three bolts per use of force blast.
This ability replaces the bonus feat normally gained at
10th level.

When using the rapid blast ability combined with the Multiple blast ability and Swift Blast ability could you use the force blast three times in a round either during a swift action/double move action or swift action/Move/standard action (actually using six blasts in one round)?

Swift Blast (Su): At 11th level, a blaster may use his
force blast ability three times per day as a swift action.
This number increases by one additional time per day for
every five levels beyond 11th. This ability replaces the spell
tactician benefit normally gained at 11th level.

Finally when using Mythic Haste (as you receive an extra move action) along with the example above would you receive a total of eight blasts in any given round (if you have access to that many blasts)?


1)There's no reason you can't use two force blasts in a round, with Rapid Blast, indeed that seems to be the point of Rapid Blast.

2) You could also use Multiple Blasts as a standard and the Rapid Blast as a move.

2a)I don't have access to the source, so it would depend on what kind of thing Multiple Blasts is. Is it an infusion or an ability granted by the archetype? If it's an infusion, then you could use it as a Rapid Blast. But if it's a standalone ability, then it wouldn't be covered by Rapid Blast.

2b)The same reasoning as Multiple Blasts applies to Swift Blast. If Multiple Blasts is a standalone ability, then you can't use it as a swift action with swift blast. But if Multiple Blasts were an infusion it would all work together.

My assumption is that Multiple Blasts is a standalone ability. In that case you would get:
Standard: 2 Blasts
Move: 1 Blast
Swift: 1 Blast
Mythic Haste: 1 Blast

Total: 5 Blasts

5 Blasts in one round for no burn would still be pretty high powered. But I'm guessing that this 3rd party archetype was aiming for high powered.


1) Fully agree

2) Fully Agree

2a) Unless unable to use a standard action (for whatever reason) in any given round and are forced to use only move actions it doesn't matter personally how the blasts are allocated. With that said for clarification purposes I am fine with the character using the double blasts as move actions (receiving four blasts).

Here is where the arguments start at our table.

2b)As the GM I believe you would only receive one blast when utilizing swift blast, for a couple reason.
First being under rapid blast there is nothing stated that at a certain level the move action graduation goes to a swift action. Second under the swift action description it states that a lot less time is needed for this action and therefore less could be done.

Swift Actions
A swift action consumes a very small amount of time,
but represents a larger expenditure of effort than a
free action. You can perform one swift action per turn
without affecting your ability to perform other actions.
In that regard, a swift action is like a free action. You
can, however, perform only one single swift action per
turn, regardless of what other actions you take. You
can take a swift action anytime you would normally
be allowed to take a free action. Swift actions usually
involve spellcasting, activating a feat, or the activation
of magic items.

Finally under Mythic haste I don't believe you should be able to magically enhance your characters movement and then get to use 1 little own two extra abilities in that time.

So in closing I believe you should receive 5 blasts as well but for different reasons.

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