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If I had an armored coat
Price 50 gp
Armor Bonus +4
This sturdy leather coat is reinforced with metal plates sewn into the lining. An armored coat is more cumbersome than light armor but less effective than most medium armors. The advantage of it is that a person can don it or remove it as a move action (there is no "don hastily" option for an armored coat). If worn over other armor, use the better AC bonus and worse value in all other categories; an armored coat has no effect if worn with heavy armor. The only magic effects that apply are those of armor, clothing, or items worn on top.
that was enchanted to be say a +5 armored coat and wore it over a +1 heavy fortification Breastplate what would the ac bonus be?
Would the ac be +7 (+6 ac from bp +1 from enchancement) or +11(+6 from bp, +5 from armored coat (the higher effective bonus total)
To sum it up, is the enchancement bonus considered an effect for how the armored coat works, or just things like fortification/glamer/resists/slick etc...?
FAQ please
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If worn over other armor, use the better AC bonus and worse value in all other categories
You use the better AC value, which is that of the breastplate.
The only magic effects that apply are those of armor, clothing, or items worn on top.
I think that means that you also get to use the coat's fortification.
Congratulations, I think you found a clever trick; spread the expensive armor enchantments you want between an "underwear" armor and an armored coat.
Oh ho.
I see what you're doing there. Neat.
RAW you take the better AC bonus, and I would take the higher effective bonus total.
+7 plus Heavy fort.
Though technically enhancement bonuses on armor is added to the armor value and not a separate value to be added, so it'd be +11 and maaaybe you'd get fortification.
Faq'd.
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The AC line is pretty clear. You take the best AC. Likewise for the penalties: you take the biggest penalties.
The last line is trickier.
The only magic effects that apply are those of armor, clothing, or items worn on top.
I take that to mean that only the special armor properties of the armored coat (and clothes/amulets etc you wear on top of it) apply.
So if the breastplate was Glamered, that wouldn't do anything. Makes sense. If it was the breastplate (not the coat) that had Fortification, it also wouldn't do anything. Makes a little less sense I suppose, but if you want to keep things simple, you have to draw the line somewhere.
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exactly, it's I guess a clarification for the purposes of the coat what over rides what exactly.
If you were a moderate forticiation coat over +5 chain mail, do you get moderate fortification and the +5 chain mail ac or +1 and moderate fort (what's on top) and the chainmail ac =D
It's not terribly clear.
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The AC line is pretty clear. You take the best AC. Likewise for the penalties: you take the biggest penalties.
The last line is trickier.
The only magic effects that apply are those of armor, clothing, or items worn on top.I take that to mean that only the special armor properties of the armored coat (and clothes/amulets etc you wear on top of it) apply.
So if the breastplate was Glamered, that wouldn't do anything. Makes sense. If it was the breastplate (not the coat) that had Fortification, it also wouldn't do anything. Makes a little less sense I suppose, but if you want to keep things simple, you have to draw the line somewhere.
The "+1 heavy fortification" of the breastplate are all magical bonuses, so they will not work.
You will get the best AC between:
the +6 of a breastplate (its magic is suppressed);
and the +9 of the armored coat (+4 base plus +5 magical enhancement).
So the armored coat AC bonus and the armored coat special abilities.
If you had a
+5 breastplate
and a +1 light fortification coat
you would get the best AC between:
the +6 of a breastplate (its magic is still suppressed);
and the +5 of the armored coat (+4 base plus +1 magical enhancement).
but you would benefit from the armored coat special abilities.
So the breastplate AC bonus and the armored coat special abilities.
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The armor AC enhancement change that armor AC bonus, not other armor bonuses, so the armored coat bonus isn't transferred to the breastplate.
Enhancement Bonuses: Enhancement bonuses apply to your armor to increase the armor bonus it provides.
It is in the combat section of the rules.
You end up with the equivalent of a +5 breastplate, if I understand correctly. You get the breastplate's base armor bonus but the magical effects of the armored coat. You'd lose the heavy fortification.
so.. 6 different answers...
nice
You end up with the equivalent of a +5 breastplate, if I understand correctly. You get the breastplate's base armor bonus but the magical effects of the armored coat. You'd lose the heavy fortification.
This is almost how I would rule it, though I would rule each armor's enhancement bonus only applies to the armor it is on. You can't apply another armor's enhancement bonus to a different set of armor.
In a RAW setting(PFS), I would rule that the entire effect of the breastplate is negated (it's enhancement bonus as well as the fortification, therefore you effectively have a masterwork breastplate).
+5 Armored Coat = +9 AC
Negated breastplate = +6AC
Since armor bonuses don't stack, you take the higher armor bonus of +9 and apply that to your AC as your armor bonus.
In a home game I would use rule 0 and just say no.
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yeah and if you go with the "enchancement bonuses to ac are negated" there's zero point to having an armored coat beyond wanting to wear a coat.
So clearly there needs to be an explanation of how this works that's easier to understand for all (as you can tell by the varied responses)
My own take is this:
Take the highest armor (including enhancement bonus to ac) and then any other effects are only calculated from the armored coat.
