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I was pondering a wizard spending a feat on a weapon proficiency picking it up and claiming they're a fighter X levels lower. How comparable would people say a wizard was as a fighter with minimal feat investment, they don't need to be a good fighter just able to pass as one for a couple of fights. For example does BAB +5, Weapon Proficiency Longsword and 49 HP allow a wizard to claim they're a fourth level fighter equivilent?
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- "and what is that tied to your belt" (pointing at his trusty spell component pouch)
- "oh this?...this is my beef jerky pouch, you know you can't fight without some beef jerky, right?" (tries an untrained bluff check)
- "...wow...you even LIE like a fighter!. I think you got it!"
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Class levels are a metagame construct, not something used in world, there's kinda no need for that.
This.
If you wanted to act like a lower level fighter then yeah, it's doable. A Wizard has roughly half the feats/HP/BAB of a Fighter, so a 10th level Wizard could pose as a 5th level Fighter. You miss out on Weapon/Armour Training, but you could cast some subtle longterm buffs to cover that.
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Does a spell component pouch have a specific shape that is different from any other puch? I don't think so.
With all the existing archetypes, even a strangely equipped "fighter" can be considered "normal".
Depending on your goal, I think it would be more efficient to call yourself a warrior (the NPC class) if you want the deception to last for some time. It would explain why you are lacking some key features.
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We actually have a wizard in one of my groups games who fancies himself a fighter… and he does a heck of a good job at it too. The trick is to go Transmutation School, and focus on long duration spells that enhance your physical abilities… your ultimate goal is the Transformation spell allowing you to attack as if you had full BAB later on.
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Rysky is 100% correct about classes being a metagame construct. You might as well ask how well you the player can pass yourself off as a fighter.
If the character wanted to pass themselves off as someone semiskilled in combat that is quite easy, because a high level wizard is semiskilled in combat. An elf wizard with weapon finesse and a good DEX is actually not bad at fighting. As long as they have not dumped STR they can perform fairly decent. If they spend the extra feats for weapon focus and fencing finesse it would be hard to tell the difference between the wizard and a lower level fighter. About the only thing different would be the lack of armor or the difficulty in dealing with it. The Wizard could always use a mithral chain shirt to make it more convincing. Since there is no armor check penalty the only downside would be the arcane spell failure.
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I think the lack of armor proficiency would be most immediately noticeable.
About the only thing different would be the lack of armor or the difficulty in dealing with it.
Or y'know, Illusion magic.
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Mock Armor may allow you to look like you are wearing armor but it does not give you the AC. When someone attacks you and your plate mail breaks apart when it is hit you are not going to be fooling anyone for long. Its great for sneaking a spell caster in without people realizing they are a spell caster, but it will not help if you want to actually function in a fight.
Illusion can also help with appearance, but also detect as magic so is more likely to give you away than to help you. Detect magic is a 0 level spell so is available in a lot of circumstances. When you armor is radiating illusion that is often a dead giveaway you are no what you seem.
Lots of classes use only light armor so doing so would not be an immediate give away. Swashbucklers are limited to light armor. Using a light armor made out of a lighter special material would be a better alternative. I mentioned a mithral chain shirt in my last post, but you could also do use mithral parade armor, or Darkleaf cloth studded leather armor instead. The parade armor would probably do a better job of fooling someone because it is usually designed to look impressive. Since this is actually real armor you could even have it enchanted. +1 Glamered mithral parade armor is only 4,725 gp.
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Who says that you have to be a melee fighter. Go with that elf wizard that was mentioned, but carry a bow and wear padded armor.
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I also vote Elf, but replace Weapon Familiarity with Crossbow Training... now you can reload a L.Crossbow as a free action. That is some high speed soldier $#!+...
The Mage's Crossbow is a L.Crossbow... and Elves have Elven Magic, which further adds to bypassing Spell Resistance. It makes sense, I promise. Lol.
We can also trade Keen Senses for Industrious Urbanite to pick up Spell Focus Cojuration or Spell Focus Transmutation for "free"... because Wizard. Now you can take Point Blank Shot at level one, and still be right on track for some Wizard $#!+...
There are two traits that reduce Armor Check Penalty... they do not stack, but it gives you options... a regional and combat trait, both called Armor Master or Armor Expert or something like that. This should open up armor options... I know there has to be something with zero Arcane Failure Chance (I'm just lazy right meow)... spider silk body suit is what we what (zero ASF, -1 ACP made zero by the trait)...
I have an Eldritch Scrapper Sorcerer NPC using the Crossbow Trained Industrious Urbanite Elf. The Fey Bloodline gives both Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot as Bloodline Feats, Eldritch Scrapper gives Martial Flexibility for anything else I might want at the time.
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Weaponplay Ganzi are proficient in all Martial Weapons and can enter Eldritch Knight without multiclassing.
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Shaman's Apprentice Half-Orc with Sacred Tattoos and Fate's Favored... two levels of Sorcerer for the Orc Bloodline and so we don't lose BAB.
5+ levels of School Savant Arcanist with the Bloodline Developement Exploit.
Take Eldritch Heritage for the Abyssal Bloodline Power(s).
You are still stuck with that spider silk armor (with the trait), but you could be really darn strong with the Orc Blood stuff and Strength of the Abyss stuff and Transmutation School stuff...
Combat Reflexes and a Longspear but it's actaully a Monstrous Physique/Deathsnatcher build...
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Actually the best way to pull this off would be to go for an elf wizard and take weapon finesse and also carry and use a bow. Carrying and competently using 2 different marital weapons will make people assume that your character is a martial class. Wear the mithral chain shirt to further add to the appearance of being a martial class. It’s not that unusual for a high DEX character to use light armor to maximize their DEX bonus.
Don’t forget that at low levels the characters stats are often more important than the class in determining how well they do in combat. At first level a Wizard with an 18 STR and proficiency in with a sword is actually better at using it than a fighter with a 10 STR. Around 4th level the fighters greater BAB and extra feats start to make a difference and the fighter quickly pulls ahead after that.