|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I was thinking about Ali of Ababwa and it got me wondering in pathfinder could you use wish to create a false identity and if so how solid would it be? Looking for advice and comments other than "ask your GM" please. How I'd be inclined to run it would be . . .
1) You get all documents and other official records needed for the identity e.g. letters of nobility, patents to act as a plenipotentiary ambassador without portfolio or for an actual country any documentation they would provide a living person. These documents will hold up to any inspections (forgery DC = to caster level) short of someone actually contacting the issuer (or asking you to point out a fictional country on a map though it may supply fake maps showing where you claim it to be).
2) You get physical support for your claim e.g. clothes, servants and retainers = to a maximum value of 25,000 GP. However any retainers/etc must CONTINUE being paid so you would do better to have fewer retainers for a longer period of time than many for a short period of time. Retainers and other objects are essentially purchased offscreen by the wish e.g hiring a bunch of guards at the local guilds. They are generally willing to support your claim only in the sense of "Yes I was hired by the prince to provide security on this journey, no I've never actually been to Ababwa myself but his money's good."
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Is this what adventurers do on the side during every campaign with downtime?
Everyone besides the Paladin is using a fake name in the brothel... Paladin is using their real name in the brothel, but they're still IN the brothel... everyone (including the Paladin) has a side hustle. Everyone with a single rank in Bluff has at least tried to start what Razmir pulled off.
Does it really take Wish for some forged papers and new clothes? Isn't this covered by Linguistics and Bluff and Disguise, or possibly the Vigilante class? Recruits/Leadership/Ring of the Ecclesiarch...?
Who is actually ever going to cross-reference this? What are you trying to do?
As an adventurer, I always try have an alias I can relax in. Being an adventurer is exhausting, people recognize you as such, and want "things". Yeah, those "things" are how you get sidequests, loot, experience, ADVENTURE! But, being recognized can be troublesome, sometimes I want to be just another face in the crowd.
Never thought to get forged documents for the fake name my character gives hookers, but it can't be that hard in a world not connected by the internet. No shared databases, and half the world doesn't even know the other half exists... much less the other planets... yeah, pay a Bard to make you some papers, then kill the Bard if you are that worried about it. It has got to be cheaper than Wish.
Find my legacy NPC, a Tengu named Cawn. He is probably disguised as an ugly human with an exceptionally long nose. Anyways, he is an absolutely glorious liar, and his word is capable of making people not believe themselves. Get him to start a rumor, and let it spread like wildfire. A halfway decent rumormonger can make or break anyone's reputation... even an imaginary anyone.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Wishing for an identity that is specifically fake is a wasted wish. There's no quality control on the wish, so you aren't getting anything you didn't already have. Something like "I wish people remembered, and will henceforth always remember, me as an innocent bystander" could produce a more effective fake identity.
Wishing to be someone you aren't is also a bit of a waste, you killed yourself with extra steps. "I wish I were the king of Melontis." Poof, you're gone, and we've got some complicated succession issues that the player no longer has to worry about.
The Ali Ababwa wish is different, Aladdin wishes for a rank and title. If that wish is granted, then that place really exists and you've somehow become the inheritor of the title and rank. How valuable that wish is depends on how well you can leverage your new position and whether or not you can hold on to it. You could probably write the wish a bit better to ensure that your new rank and title is instantly and always useful. Something like "remember and respect me as the eternal ruler of X".
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Is this what adventurers do on the side during every campaign with downtime?
Everyone besides the Paladin is using a fake name in the brothel... Paladin is using their real name in the brothel, but they're still IN the brothel... everyone (including the Paladin) has a side hustle. Everyone with a single rank in Bluff has at least tried to start what Razmir pulled off.
Does it really take Wish for some forged papers and new clothes? Isn't this covered by Linguistics and Bluff and Disguise, or possibly the Vigilante class? Recruits/Leadership/Ring of the Ecclesiarch...?
Who is actually ever going to cross-reference this? What are you trying to do?
As an adventurer, I always try have an alias I can relax in. Being an adventurer is exhausting, people recognize you as such, and want "things". Yeah, those "things" are how you get sidequests, loot, experience, ADVENTURE! But, being recognized can be troublesome, sometimes I want to be just another face in the crowd.
Never thought to get forged documents for the fake name my character gives hookers, but it can't be that hard in a world not connected by the internet. No shared databases, and half the world doesn't even know the other half exists... much less the other planets... yeah, pay a Bard to make you some papers, then kill the Bard if you are that worried about it. It has got to be cheaper than Wish.
Find my legacy NPC, a Tengu named Cawn. He is probably disguised as an ugly human with an exceptionally long nose. Anyways, he is an absolutely glorious liar, and his word is capable of making people not believe themselves. Get him to start a rumor, and let it spread like wildfire. A halfway decent rumormonger can make or break anyone's reputation... even an imaginary anyone.
It just seemed like an interesting use of the spell.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Wish could be used to implant the "knowledge" of this fake person's existence into peoples' minds further reaching than mundane Bluff and rumormongering could probably reach.
It cannot change free will, but if you have a side hustle... like diamond mine or an Alchemy store acting as a front for an Assassin's Guild... then you just squirrel away an allowance to pay for the same Wish (targeting the same people) every so often. Probability suggests that at least some of those infected with this "knowledge" will naturely develop a curiousity. Eventually a pilgrimage of wise men following a star above your imaginary self.
I imagine this is what Razmir does in his spare time to suggest his divinity to random people that have never heard of him. Lol.