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Public stakeholder reports
There are no public stakeholders. Paizo is 100 % privately owned by Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz.
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I think the main thing I want to see is corroborated action. I don't want some big "we'll do better" post and have that be the end of it. I want to know what specific actions they're planning to take and either an employee group or something to corroborate that those steps are actually taking place.
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Public stakeholder reportsThere are no public stakeholders. Paizo is 100 % privately owned by Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz.
Stakeholders rather than shareholders. Stakeholders are anyone who has an interest in the company's success, which includes us.
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I think the main thing I want to see is corroborated action. I don't want some big "we'll do better" post and have that be the end of it. I want to know what specific actions they're planning to take and either an employee group or something to corroborate that those steps are actually taking place.
Right. Whatever the response, the steps taken need to be clear, public, and measurable. "X thing by Y date," "Z change in policy or structure," that sort of thing.
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Just a reminder that Vic and Lisa have stepped down from executive roles but remain sole owners of Paizo and ultimately they call the shots as to who is the CEO. Paizo isn't a publicly traded company and there's no lords of the boards to oversee the leadership.
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Just a reminder that Vic and Lisa have stepped down from executive roles but remain sole owners of Paizo and ultimately they call the shots as to who is the CEO. Paizo isn't a publicly traded company and there's no lords of the boards to oversee the leadership.
But there can be, even in private companies. Diluting and checking power at the management level seems pretty important given what we've learned.
I think the main thing I want to see is corroborated action. I don't want some big "we'll do better" post and have that be the end of it. I want to know what specific actions they're planning to take and either an employee group or something to corroborate that those steps are actually taking place.
These kinds of things can take time to plan and implement though, so any sort of statement to try and provide some damage control would be good right now, even without all the details of how to fix it.
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I'm not about to make a major financial decision in the heat of the moment. I do want to state that the diversity and inclusiveness of Paizo products, coupled with the great front line of customer service, is what keeps bringing me back to these games. When that changes, I am likely to look elsewhere.
I've stopped supporting Paizo for a while now for several reasons, not the least of which has been a general dislike of the APs since 2e began (Ruby Phoenix has come the closest to interesting me), but with the things I've been hearing, I doubt I'll pick up any more books any time soon. I value inclusivity, and appreciate options being given that other people enjoy even if I personally don't find them interesting, but this is... disheartening in the extreme.
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An employee union needs to be started immediately. A group with heft, probably the CWA. Provisions for protecting employee speech and certain actions are pretty important here, as well as a grievance process for workplace harassment and poor working conditions.
Is there anything that customers can do to help staff through the unionization process? I'm trying to remember if I've seen crowdfunded strike-funds or something like it before.
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Just a week ago we were talking about how Paizo was being blasted for being "too woke" on that Red/Yellow/Green list.
When New White Wolf proved itself to be toxic I'd been there before with old White Wolf so I wasn't shocked. When WOTC reveals how broken things are behind the scenes there, I'm familiar enough with the last 45+ years to remain unsurprised.
I think what makes this instance sting so much is that I had come to think of Paizo as the "good game company," this was perhaps incredibly naive. It doesn't change that I thought better of Paizo than this.
I'm watching, and I'm very unsure about the continuing status of my subscriptions - but I'm leaving them intact until I see Paizo's response to this.
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I am seeing a lot of names I have not seen in a long long time.
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We want improvements, not unrelated places to spend our money elsewhere.
I don’t want Paizo to fail or disappear, that would hurt the people we care about, I want things to be made right.
Then include suggestions for improvements, and exclude threats to take your business elsewhere (until you're serious about carrying them out).
Knee jerk declaring you're cancelling subscriptions just dilutes the power of actually cancelling subscriptions later.
And probability-wise they'll end up financially supporting a different jerk.
Asking for changes is fine. Demanding changes is fine. So is rallying behind the better people so that they get promoted over worse people.
But that doesn't happen on Twitter. Twitter drops like that are just drone strikes that may or may not take out one high value target but definitely hurt dozens of non-targets.
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Oof. That Twitter thread.
Fell out with Pathfinder some time ago (5e just checked my boxes more completely) but still quite liked Paizo. Shopped on the store when I could, purchasing minis and accessories.
I'm really not a fan of Jessica Price. I find her a toxic troll. Not purposefully malicious, but reactionary and always willing to assume the worst. If a comment could be innocent but poorly phrased or sexist she'd always assume sexism.
She brigaded me once. Came after me HARD because she couldn't read my full twitter thread to reach my point before she started making assumptions. And she always comes out swinging. And when she does come on strong (like with me where she said some hurtful, hurtful things) she'll quietly delete those tweets without comment or retraction, let alone an apology.
But she's always been honest. Too honest and unfiltered at times. Brutally honest. Unconcerned about who she might hurt.
So while I dislike her as a person, I believe her without reservation.
And man is that damning....
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I haven't posted on these forums in years, and I don't game much due to how expensive it became for me in hard financial times. I wanted to say that Paizo's bent towards diversity is what had me coming back again and again, and what got me to support this company over others.
I'm disappointed to have lost some of that feeling now, and I'm not sure if I ever want to come back now.
Also, the stuff about why the janky forums were never upgraded makes a lot of things make more sense now.
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We want improvements, not unrelated places to spend our money elsewhere.
I don’t want Paizo to fail or disappear, that would hurt the people we care about, I want things to be made right.
Then include suggestions for improvements, and exclude threats to take your business elsewhere (until you're serious about carrying them out).
Knee jerk declaring you're cancelling subscriptions just dilutes the power of actually cancelling subscriptions later.
And probability-wise they'll end up financially supporting a different jerk.
Asking for changes is fine. Demanding changes is fine. So is rallying behind the better people so that they get promoted over worse people.
But that doesn't happen on Twitter. Twitter drops like that are just drone strikes that may or may not take out one high value target but definitely hurt dozens of non-targets.
I haven’t made any posts on Twitter.
Abs I wouldn’t be taking my “business” elsewhere or anywhere. I’d stop supporting Paizo… and then still keep playing through a combination of the books I already own and AoN. It’s not Blizzard/WoW where I have to keep paying to keep playing.
And that’s without getting into your “probability” being silly.
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Also, the stuff about why the janky forums were never upgraded makes a lot of things make more sense now.
That's one of the claims that should be taken with a grain of salt. Big IT projects are expensive and replacing legacy systems is always a complex decision.
Imagine, for a moment, that the perfect forum existed tomorrow - but all of the historical posts couldn't be imported.
That's customer service stuff gone, play by post games abruptly ended, a decade of advice on running specific adventure paths gone, etc.
The current software guy gave a really good answer on why replacing the webstore with some new commercial off-the-shelf product is hard for Paizo, and similar answers are going to exist whether or not someone gets royalties.
Even without the sunk cost fallacy, implementing new stuff is expensive, and you still end up with some new set of bugs and quirks to replace the old ones.
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Imagine, for a moment, that the perfect forum existed tomorrow - but all of the historical posts couldn't be imported.
That's customer service stuff gone, play by post games abruptly ended, decades of advice on running specific adventure paths gone, etc.
The current software guy gave a really good answer on why replacing the webstore with some new commercial off-the-shelf product is hard for Paizo, and similar answers are going to exist whether or not someone gets royalties.
Even without the sunk cost fallacy, implementing new stuff is expensive, and you still end up with some new set of bugs and quirks to replace the old ones.
They weren't talking about the long held claims of it being cost prohibitive. They were talking about the alleged revelation in the Tweet thread that one of the lead Paizo programmers receives royalties for remaining with this iteration of the forum/website.
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Oof. That Twitter thread.
Fell out with Pathfinder some time ago (5e just checked my boxes more completely) but still quite liked Paizo. Shopped on the store when I could, purchasing minis and accessories.
I'm really not a fan of Jessica Price. I find her a toxic troll. Not purposefully malicious, but reactionary and always willing to assume the worst. If a comment could be innocent but poorly phrased or sexist she'd always assume sexism.
She brigaded me once. Came after me HARD because she couldn't read my full twitter thread to reach my point before she started making assumptions. And she always comes out swinging. And when she does come on strong (like with me where she said some hurtful, hurtful things) she'll quietly delete those tweets without comment or retraction, let alone an apology.But she's always been honest. Too honest and unfiltered at times. Brutally honest. Unconcerned about who she might hurt.
So while I dislike her as a person, I believe her without reservation.And man is that damning....
See, here's the problem - Jessica's single and narrow-minded crusade means she's going to turn this story into "Jessica's Twitter Thread About Problems She Has With Paizo", which in turn will bring out the usual people out of the woodwork, and the real problem - the firing of Sara - will be buried under burly nerds arguing whether Paizo was in debt to the mob.
With Jessica's Twitter following and ability to push the right buttons, in particular with conservative people, she's bound to make it a story that was about her all along. I met people like her, I fought people like her, in their desire to bring the house down, they will wittingly or unwittingly bring it down while people are inside. A bit like divorced people who will tear down the life of everyone involved just to have revenge on their ex. Same mechanism, because seeing Paizo burn is what she's all about.
Her "so Pathfinder 2e is a laughably bad game put together by incompetent tools" threads are still out there, and she doesn't seem to have cared a lot about the people behind the product then, she likely doesn't care now. It's just that they're a convenient ammunition for the time being.
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Is there anything that customers can do to help staff through the unionization process?
An employee union needs to be started immediately. A group with heft, probably the CWA. Provisions for protecting employee speech and certain actions are pretty important here, as well as a grievance process for workplace harassment and poor working conditions.
Help them find a replacement job when the union drives the company under.
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See, here's the problem - Jessica's single and narrow-minded crusade means she's going to turn this story into "Jessica's Twitter Thread About Problems She Has With Paizo", which in turn will bring out the usual people out of the woodwork, and the real problem - the firing of Sara - will be buried under burly nerds arguing whether Paizo was in debt to the mob.
I don't know about all of that, I do know that she spilled the tea. Whether it was all her own Oolong, or that mixed with Sara's English Breakfast, or the whole companies Earl Grey. None of that matters at this point, because now there's a sticky mess on the floor that needs cleaning one way or another.
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Oof. That Twitter thread.
Fell out with Pathfinder some time ago (5e just checked my boxes more completely) but still quite liked Paizo. Shopped on the store when I could, purchasing minis and accessories.
I'm really not a fan of Jessica Price. I find her a toxic troll. Not purposefully malicious, but reactionary and always willing to assume the worst. If a comment could be innocent but poorly phrased or sexist she'd always assume sexism.
She brigaded me once. Came after me HARD because she couldn't read my full twitter thread to reach my point before she started making assumptions. And she always comes out swinging. And when she does come on strong (like with me where she said some hurtful, hurtful things) she'll quietly delete those tweets without comment or retraction, let alone an apology.But she's always been honest. Too honest and unfiltered at times. Brutally honest. Unconcerned about who she might hurt.
So while I dislike her as a person, I believe her without reservation.And man is that damning....
See, here's the problem - Jessica's single and narrow-minded crusade means she's going to turn this story into "Jessica's Twitter Thread About Problems She Has With Paizo", which in turn will bring out the usual people out of the woodwork, and the real problem - the firing of Sara - will be buried under burly nerds arguing whether Paizo was in debt to the mob.
With Jessica's Twitter following and ability to push the right buttons, in particular with conservative people, she's bound to make it a story that was about her all along. I met people like her, I fought people like her, in their desire to bring the house down, they will wittingly or unwittingly bring it down while people are inside. A bit like divorced people who will tear down the life of everyone involved just to have revenge on their ex. Same mechanism, because seeing Paizo burn is what she's all about.
Her "so Pathfinder 2e is a laughably bad game put together by incompetent tools and...
Gonna go out on a very large ledge here and say you likely didn't read all of her posts on twitter.
If you had you would know she kept it centered around the current situation and then gave her own anecdotal stories about what is wrong systemically with the company.
I didn't even know her name before yesterday, because I don't keep track of employees who aren't current. During this process I just found out Lyz isn't with the company anymore and that was news, or refreshed news to me.
That being said, she is clear that she doesn't want the company to fail. She is clear that she has made a LOT of great friends at Paizo. And she is clear that something needs to change.
The only people making this about Jessica are people who keep complaining about her and her points instead of focusing on the issue at hand.
Which is at least 2 managers decided it was a good idea to fire a long time well loved face of Paizo for whatever reasons they had. But they aren't going to tell us those reasons because they are either non existent or will pour oil on this fire.
So, hope you guys can manage to refocus on the issue at hand and stop trying to focus on the vehicle of the information as much as the information itself. Which during the posts were corroborated by multiple former employees.
Diego's post about why he quit, stating 2 managers were involved, should be enough corroboration for anyone who doubts Jessica's intent anyways.
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It was Diego and Sara who tweeted about their departures well before Jessica launched her thread. The fact that you all think she broke the news says a lot about her communication range, which is formidable, I must admit.
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It was Diego and Sara who tweeted about their departures well before Jessica launched her thread. The fact that you all think she broke the news says a lot about her communication range, which is formidable, I must admit.
I actually found out from Jason Buhlman who retweeted Diego's post with a nice endorsement.
So.... again, I am not sure who you are talking about here but I must have missed where anyone talked about Jessica breaking any news. She definitely spilled a few gallons of tea though.
Who was saying that Jessica broke the news?
Who was saying that Jessica broke the news?
I took your "she spilled the tea" comment as that - if I'm wrong, I apologise.
I've seen quite a few people quote her as the primary source here and there, so that's definitely happening.
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Who was saying that Jessica broke the news?I took your "she spilled the tea" comment as that - if I'm wrong, I apologise.
I've seen quite a few people quote her as the primary source here and there, so that's definitely happening.
Seriously, out of the entire post that is all you respond to?
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Refocus.
Also, spilled the tea means telling secrets not breaking news. And she spilled gallons.
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My bad on the response, I was mixxing up 2 other users and didn't realize dirtypool's one off short post was up there.
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See, here's the problem - Jessica's single and narrow-minded crusade means she's going to turn this story into "Jessica's Twitter Thread About Problems She Has With Paizo", which in turn will bring out the usual people out of the woodwork, and the real problem - the firing of Sara - will be buried under burly nerds arguing whether Paizo was in debt to the mob.
Both are big problems.
Firing Sara Marie is bad. But Paizo's hidden toxic past is also a fairly large issue. But it's because of Paizo's apparent toxic leadership that Sara Marie was fired.It feels odd to just ignore the larger issues being raised because "now is not the time." Like we should be mourning Sara Marie first before discussing larger issues.
With Jessica's Twitter following and ability to push the right buttons, in particular with conservative people, she's bound to make it a story that was about her all along. I met people like her, I fought people like her, in their desire to bring the house down, they will wittingly or unwittingly bring it down while people are inside. A bit like divorced people who will tear down the life of everyone involved just to have revenge on their ex. Same mechanism, because seeing Paizo burn is what she's all about.
She's totally the kind of person who will bring the house down out of spite.
But that doesn't mean she's lying. Her motives for saying what she's saying may be meanspirited, but all the accusations can still be true.Her "so Pathfinder 2e is a laughably bad game put together by incompetent tools and ahahahaha I wish they just go bankrupt, haha look what stupidity is this, who was dumb enough to write and greenlight it" threads are still out there, and she doesn't seem to have cared a lot about the people behind the product then, she likely doesn't care now. It's just that they're a convenient ammunition for the time being.
I'm off Twitter now, so I haven't seen any of those takes. But that opinion isn't mentioned anywhere.
But, really, "I dislike PF2 and think it is a bad game" is hardly a spicy take from anyone.
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She is the primary source about poor ventilation in the offices, inadequate cleaning, unsolicited dick pics, creepy Theosophy support in the offices, HR punishment for acts of solidarity, and a lot of other things that she reported beyond the firing of Sara and the solidarity walkouts.
This thread is responding to the whole mess that was revealed in the wake of Sara being let go.
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My bad on the response, I was mixxing up 2 other users and didn't realize dirtypool's one off short post was up there.
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I meant "spill the tea" in the exact context you did.
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If somebody is framing a "Paizo worked with a copy shop and found out that police raided that copy shops because it appears it was a front for some Polish gangsters, but even after that the owner would send Paizo invoices and demand a payment" story, which is pretty much in the same category of crazy industry stories shared at a con as the "Secret Service raided Steve Jackson Games" thing as "Paizo was in debt to mob", it makes it incredibly hard to take anything else from that person at full face value. I'm not saying it's impossible - there's a chance that every thing is 100% true and factual - but I'm having a hard time with it.
Sara, Diego, of course, I believe 120%, because they spend the last 10 years building trustworthiness and reliability that would it very hard for me to buy a "oh, they were doing something bad for the company, honest" explanation.
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If somebody is framing a "Paizo worked with a copy shop and found out that police raided that copy shops because it appears it was a front for some Polish gangsters, but even after that the owner would send Paizo invoices and demand a payment" story, which is pretty much in the same category of crazy industry stories shared at a con as the "Secret Service raided Steve Jackson Games" thing as "Paizo was in debt to mob", it makes it incredibly hard to take anything else from that person at full face value. I'm not saying it's impossible - there's a chance that every thing is 100% true and factual - but I'm having a hard time with it.
That's not at all presented in Jessica's Twitter thread to date, which circles back to Yoshua's question about whether or not you've read the thread in its entirety.
Yes Jessica teases that tidbit salaciously amid all the other stuff, but there are other former Paizo employees like Crystal Frasier who cosign some of what Jessica is saying and add more detail.
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If somebody is framing a "Paizo worked with a copy shop and found out that police raided that copy shops because it appears it was a front for some Polish gangsters, but even after that the owner would send Paizo invoices and demand a payment" story, which is pretty much in the same category of crazy industry stories shared at a con as the "Secret Service raided Steve Jackson Games" thing as "Paizo was in debt to mob", it makes it incredibly hard to take anything else from that person at full face value. I'm not saying it's impossible - there's a chance that every thing is 100% true and factual - but I'm having a hard time with it.That's not at all presented in Jessica's Twitter thread, which circles back to Yoshua's question about whether or not you've read the thread in its entirety.
I did, the reference to "The Time Paizo Was In Debt To The Mob" is in literally the second tweet in that thread.
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I did, the reference to "The Time Paizo Was In Debt To The Mob" is in literally the second tweet in that thread.
Yep, it's referenced, and it is never referenced any further than that surface statement and saying that to her - Erik Mona was the source of the info she would base that claim on if she published it. No one is framing the story the way you claim, so your if:then statement about someone framing such a story is irrelevent.
None of the detail you posted here in your discrediting of it was provided IN ANY WAY. You're putting a lid on a pan to put out a stove fire that was never lit.
Jessica's twitter thread isn't making these issues about Jessica, your response in THIS thread is making it about Jessica.
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They weren't talking about the long held claims of it being cost prohibitive. They were talking about the alleged revelation in the Tweet thread that one of the lead Paizo programmers receives royalties for remaining with this iteration of the forum/website.
I addressed that specifically, and the post was written with that context.
An objective cost analysis, irrespective of any potential conflicts of interest, is still more likely than not to have "big transformative project" cost more than "keep this one chugging along" particularly if it involves buying a new product or entering a new recurring licensing model.
It might not, I'm just saying the royalty thing should be taken with a grain of salt.
(note: I quote, sell, and manage big transformative IT projects for a living)
I did, the reference to "The Time Paizo Was In Debt To The Mob" is in literally the second tweet in that thread.Yep, it's referenced, and it is never referenced any further than that surface statement and saying that to her - Erik Mona was the source of the info she would base that claim on if she published it. No one is framing the story the way you claim, so your if:then statement about someone framing such a story is irrelevent.
None of the detail you posted here in your discrediting of it was provided IN ANY WAY. You're putting a lid on a pan to put out a stove fire that was never lit.
Jessica's twitter thread isn't making these issues about Jessica, your response in THIS thread is making it about Jessica.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll drop the Jessica tangent.
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I will absolutely think twice now about getting any Paizo product now. At least the efforts of many lower level employees did go somewhere, and I know a bunch of authors now whose work I want to support.
The current management? Not so much, with what we've now heard. I also hope for some actionable efforts to improve the situation. Though, I must say, anything short of establishing an union for the workers might ring pretty hollow.
And I was curious why some of the authors I enjoyed at Paizo were rather quite about their time after leaving. This made quite a few things fall into place.
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I addressed that specifically, and the post was written with that context.
You didn't, you just generically said that the reasons should be taken with a grain of salt without specifying to which reasons you referred.
An objective cost analysis, irrespective of any potential conflicts of interest, is still more likely than not to have "big transformative project" cost more than "keep this one chugging along" particularly if it involves buying a new product or entering a new recurring licensing model.
It might not, I'm just saying the royalty thing should be taken with a grain of salt.
(note: I quote, sell, and manage big transformative IT projects for a living)
I make my living evaluating, purchasing, and implementing big transformative IT and AV infrastructure projects for a government agency, the combination of services needed is readily available at various price points - so the claim that there has been some inducement to not upgrade for the last 12 years isn't exactly outside the realm of possibility.
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While I've responded on the subreddit, I'd like to add my +1 here for supporting the people at Paizo who have experienced such toxicity, and I expect a very transparent response from Paizo about all this.
I am willing to give Paizo exactly one benefit of the doubt in this case, and that is that being right before GenCon, a response may not be as swift and coherent as other times of the year. Having said that, Paizo should also recognize that if they do not respond before GenCon, then do not go into those panels with the same celebratory, excited energy as normal GenCons. That will be a bad look and tone deaf, though I hope if any current Paizo employees who have fought for their diverse views and are proud of resulting books that are about to be announced will still be able to have some room to enjoy that. It'll be a tough balance that I don't envy.
All in all, I'm deeply concerned and will be watching closely.
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It might not, I'm just saying the royalty thing should be taken with a grain of salt.
(note: I quote, sell, and manage big transformative IT projects for a living)
How common is a royalty situation like Paizo's in IT situations? I should hope that conflicts of interest in what software to use are usually seen as a pretty big deal.
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An objective cost analysis, irrespective of any potential conflicts of interest, is still more likely than not to have "big transformative project" cost more than "keep this one chugging along" particularly if it involves buying a new product or entering a new recurring licensing model.
Maybe. But I've seen (from the inside) quite a few examples over the years where companies kept old software running because the cost to change was significantly higher than the ANNUAL and OBVIOUS costs of maintaining the software.
But if you amortized the costs over several years and/or looked into some of the less obvious costs then keeping the old software running was definitely the wrong decision.
Less obvious costs usually means things like the inability to quickly add new and necessary features as needs shift, losing customers due to them getting upset at the bugginess, not attracting new customers because the product has visible flaws, losing staff who get tired of maintaining the old crap. Many of which are quite hard to quantify, even with hindsight.
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I am seeing a lot of names I have not seen in a long long time.
Add me to the list of old guard that have returned to witness this disappointing turn.
You didn't, you just generically said that the reasons should be taken with a grain of salt without specifying which reasons you.
I addressed that specifically, and the post was written with that context.
Ctrl-F "royalties"
To your point I don't really disagree that it could absolutely be corruption and bad of them not to make a change toward some cost-effective alternative. I just don't know because I don't have the details. Even with the details, IT is hard, changing It is harder, and Paizo hasn't demonstrated it's one of their core competencies.
This is like the least worst thing in the list, though. I don't think it's really worth talking about further, anyway.
The accusations of sexual harassment and gender discrimination are much more damning.
Plus, of course, the catalyst: Sara Marie's firing and Diego and Lu quitting in support.
Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure Lu Pellazar goes by "Lu" as opposed to "Lulu."
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Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure Lu Pellazar goes by "Lu" as opposed to "Lulu."
Corrected on the recent post, thanks. I had another outside of the edit window, unfortunately.
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It's been ages since I've been a regular here on the Paizo boards. And I've been tempted to post beyond my fond farewell to Sara in customer service. But then I see (Totally Not) Gorbacz's posts, and am reminded that I am entirely redundant. Hats off to you, Mr. Bag.
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Ctrl-F "royalties"
It's a throwaway line in the fourth paragraph of your unsolicited attempt to use your expertise to educate us about IT issues to... I guess let Paizo off the hook for that charge?
If you bury the lede in your communications, don't expect everyone to go on a fishing expedition to find it.
The post I was replying to didn't even mention it at all, and I narrowed my quotation to just the specific IT issue, which only had one contentious issue to potentially take with a grain of salt. The context was in the Twitter thread, and while obviously I didn't go out of my way to write a full explanation for anyone not currently aware of the context, I didn't think it was needed.
I'm sorry for not spelling it out more, for what it's worth.
I don't really have anything else to say on this, and would encourage the topic to get back to the real issues.
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Paizo is the new Blizzard! Congratulations.
This is really disrespectful to what people at activision blizzard have suffered and why the court casehas revealed.
It may be the case at Paizo, but we don't have evidence of that yet even in JP's incredibly biased and in many places intentionally misleading rant.
We need more info, what we do know is that the info needs to come.
I don't want the horrible person that is Jessica Price using it to boost their own ego / sense of importance though. I may be biased due to elements I know about them / comments they have made in the past, but with her penchant for exaggeration, omission of context/detail and extreme vitriol with lack of reflection coupled with a white saviour complex + intense misandry... It makes it oh so easy for the incel 4chan anti progressive crowd to feel justified.