
Ravingdork |

What are some fun, clever, or diabolical uses of the creation spell?
Go wild, heightened or unheightened.

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I can think of a lot of ways to misuse a 5 ft solid cube of lead for a start.
A number of leading questions, some statistics on the commonality of certain minerals on earth, and a few carefully worded justifications and we can do all sorts of things.
Arsenic is a metal...
Pure-Sodium
A 5" diameter spherical mass of pulped Titan Arum (corpse flower)
You know diamonds aren't actually rare, De Beers crushes like 90% of jewelry grade diamonds to dust to maintain artificial scarcity. And since it's clearly conjured and can't be used as either a component or solid for money there's no good reason I Couldn't create a metal frame holding a Sixty Million carat diamond. (~27,000lbs)

Castilliano |

I'd say "common minerals, like feldspar or quartz" would eliminate most everything chemically interesting if the mineral has to be as common as those. And diamonds are precious so they're excluded (and being 10x more common than what's sold is still not "common").
Sodium or potassium might qualify, yet a GM might have to overrule with the "to good to be true" hammer. I mean, how would one adjudicate such a thing anyway? That rule will overshadow a lot here. Not that you necessarily want those to work because at Range = 0' you'd be blowing yourself up or poisoning everybody.
Salt vs. slugs, but the minute casting time means you'd have to know, which you might if you see their trail.
It might be interesting to conjure something that reacts with normal material to make something else. Then what happens when the spell ends and the conjured portion disappears?? The remaining portion may be reactive.
Hmm...

Paradozen |

I'm curious what happens if you use it to make 5 cubic feet of edible vegetables, and then eat them. Can the spell provide lasting nutritional effects on people? If so, it could be used as Create Food with a faster casting time (if that ever matters). More interestingly (to me), if it doesn't provide lasting effects you could get a wand of Creation and make yourself a roughly 1.7-foot cube junk food every day that tastes great and has no negative impact on your health.

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I'd say "common minerals, like feldspar or quartz" would eliminate most everything chemically interesting if the mineral has to be as common as those. And diamonds are precious so they're excluded (and being 10x more common than what's sold is still not "common").
Sodium or potassium might qualify, yet a GM might have to overrule with the "to good to be true" hammer. I mean, how would one adjudicate such a thing anyway? That rule will overshadow a lot here. Not that you necessarily want those to work because at Range = 0' you'd be blowing yourself up or poisoning everybody.
Salt vs. slugs, but the minute casting time means you'd have to know, which you might if you see their trail.
It might be interesting to conjure something that reacts with normal material to make something else. Then what happens when the spell ends and the conjured portion disappears?? The remaining portion may be reactive.
Hmm...
Precious Materials is actually a ruled mechanics term in 2e.
Gold and Platinum aren't on the list of "Precious Materials" nor are they ever listed as "Uncommon or Rare" materials. Nor is Diamond.
(addendum: Gold and Platinum are listed as options in the SPELL Precious Metals [Cleric Focus 4] BUT SO ARE IRON{in addition to and seperate from Cold Iron} & STEEL, so that's probably not definitive)
And, since again they can't be used to pay any costs, and are obviously magical and not saleable, does it in any way violate the "To good to be true" sniff test? I'd say no.
How to Adjudicate making a 5' block of Metallic Sodium.
1> Metallic Sodium is a Metal, so 5th level Creation spell.
2> Sodium is not listed as a precious material, so it's not prescribed by that caveat
3> Sodium is not listed as a "Rare or Uncommon" material either.
4> Sodium takes several seconds to combust in open air. Allow a few rounds to move away.
5> A clever use of a spell should be at best as good as using a dedicated spell for that purpose of the same level. A Fireball cast at 5th level does 10d6 in a 20' burst, so it should probably do slightly less. 8d6 20' burst basic dex save.
Easy peasy.

voideternal |
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If you shape the object large but lego-like, you might be able to connect multiple objects created from multiple castings of creation together to make something bigger than a 5ft cube. If it's made of a heavy material, you could probably block a narrow corridor.
Similarly, you could shape the object kind of 'C' shaped on two separate ends and create it between a narrow doorway as kind of a clamped-super-barricade.
If you make a 5ft-cube's volume of folded paper or carpet or curtain, then you could unfold it afterward to get the surface area of something much bigger than a 5ft-cube. You could hang such a curtain in some room to block line of sight and make potential hiding spots.

Castilliano |

For minerals the constraints are firmer, common like feldspar or quartz, not simply "not precious". Diamond doesn't qualify, nor would anything rare enough to be precious in the colloquial sense whether or not it's a Precious Material in game terms.
That's a simple adjudication of sodium, yet IMO unsatisfying.
No better than a dedicated spell is a good rule of thumb to begin with, yet the science nerd in me would wish more accuracy as to time elapsed, size, and whether there'd be toxic results.
And I wouldn't concede sodium (in pure form) is common like feldspar or quartz, though maybe salt which then could be blasted into its constituent elements.

Ravingdork |

Didn't realize we had so many chemistry enthusiasts on the forums! XD
I figured we'd be getting a bunch of practical ideas for items like...
...you could shape the object kind of 'C' shaped on two separate ends and create it between a narrow doorway as kind of a clamped-super-barricade.
...not wild science experiments like poison gas clouds or sodium bombs. XD

AlastarOG |

Soon as Gek Copperbottom, kobold wizard, snags creation, I'm using it to create either snares or poisons.
I could imagine a GM ruling you need to know the recipe or restricting the snare or poison level to a max of double the spell level, which is still good.
At level 7, I could pay a couple of gold to be able to manifest 5 cubic feet of wyvern poison (not necessarily legit, but a lot are vegetable) or get a striking snare in place fast without having to pay gold.
If they don't rule that way, I guess you can just heighten it to 5 to set up a free evisceration snare at level 9?

Ravingdork |

Laclale♪ wrote:Hmmmm thats right... Natural and uncomplex, maybe black lotus extract ?AlastarOG wrote:If they don't rule that way, I guess you can just heighten it to 5 to set up a free evisceration snare at level 9?Sven(Pleroma): Too complex.
BLE had occurred to me as well... :)