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I appreciate the history and the geography in this volume quite a bit and I suspect there should be some additional forthcoming APs and scenarios to help solidify this lore.

I cannot help but think that volumes on Tien and Arcadia are forthcoming in the future and I am curious as to how this all ties into things on Avistan and the Whispering Tyrant whom I see as the greatest existential threat to all things living currently.


Arklore wrote:

I appreciate the history and the geography in this volume quite a bit and I suspect there should be some additional forthcoming APs and scenarios to help solidify this lore.

I cannot help but think that volumes on Tien and Arcadia are forthcoming in the future and I am curious as to how this all ties into things on Avistan and the Whispering Tyrant whom I see as the greatest existential threat to all things living currently.

I expect to see more of the Inner Sea’s Meta-Regions to get books before Arcadia and Tian Xia, but I’d love to be wrong on that.

Is Tar-Baphon an existential threat? He’s one very scary lich, but I’m sure similar nasties are on other continents, and worse /has/ to exist out in space or among the planes; I’m more afraid of the Dominion of the Black than him, for instance.


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keftiu wrote:
Arklore wrote:

I appreciate the history and the geography in this volume quite a bit and I suspect there should be some additional forthcoming APs and scenarios to help solidify this lore.

I cannot help but think that volumes on Tien and Arcadia are forthcoming in the future and I am curious as to how this all ties into things on Avistan and the Whispering Tyrant whom I see as the greatest existential threat to all things living currently.

I expect to see more of the Inner Sea’s Meta-Regions to get books before Arcadia and Tian Xia, but I’d love to be wrong on that.

Is Tar-Baphon an existential threat? He’s one very scary lich, but I’m sure similar nasties are on other continents, and worse /has/ to exist out in space or among the planes; I’m more afraid of the Dominion of the Black than him, for instance.

If the priorities are the 10 meta-regions before they go to Arcadia or Tian Xia, I hope they do the Golden Road next. That definitely feels like it needs the level of rework and authenticity that the Mwangi Expanse got, given there's just very basic Egyptian equivalents there currently.


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Ezekieru wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Arklore wrote:

I appreciate the history and the geography in this volume quite a bit and I suspect there should be some additional forthcoming APs and scenarios to help solidify this lore.

I cannot help but think that volumes on Tien and Arcadia are forthcoming in the future and I am curious as to how this all ties into things on Avistan and the Whispering Tyrant whom I see as the greatest existential threat to all things living currently.

I expect to see more of the Inner Sea’s Meta-Regions to get books before Arcadia and Tian Xia, but I’d love to be wrong on that.

Is Tar-Baphon an existential threat? He’s one very scary lich, but I’m sure similar nasties are on other continents, and worse /has/ to exist out in space or among the planes; I’m more afraid of the Dominion of the Black than him, for instance.

If the priorities are the 10 meta-regions before they go to Arcadia or Tian Xia, I hope they do the Golden Road next. That definitely feels like it needs the level of rework and authenticity that the Mwangi Expanse got, given there's just very basic Egyptian equivalents there currently.

Someone should make a thread about that :p https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43et1?What-do-you-want-from-a-Lost-Omens-The-G olden


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link to the thread here since the one in the post above doesn't seem to work


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Umutuku wrote:
That description of Ant Gnoll reminded that Kender existed at some point in time. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

Sounds like it's actually a tall Pugwampi to me... ψ(`∇´)ψ


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keftiu wrote:
Arklore wrote:

I appreciate the history and the geography in this volume quite a bit and I suspect there should be some additional forthcoming APs and scenarios to help solidify this lore.

I cannot help but think that volumes on Tien and Arcadia are forthcoming in the future and I am curious as to how this all ties into things on Avistan and the Whispering Tyrant whom I see as the greatest existential threat to all things living currently.

I expect to see more of the Inner Sea’s Meta-Regions to get books before Arcadia and Tian Xia, but I’d love to be wrong on that.

Is Tar-Baphon an existential threat? He’s one very scary lich, but I’m sure similar nasties are on other continents, and worse /has/ to exist out in space or among the planes; I’m more afraid of the Dominion of the Black than him, for instance.

The Dominion of the Black may be scarier overall, but Tar-Baphon has the advantage of being much, much closer by. His greater existential threatitude is due to distance, not necessarily magnitude. The Dominion's interest in Golarion is also rather erratic compared to the personal attention the Whispering Tyrant is paying it at present.


I heard Conrasu has Aphorite-like Heritage. But didn't hear about feats.


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Laclale♪ wrote:
I heard Conrasu has Aphorite-like Heritage. But didn't hear about feats.

Can't say anything specific, but they have a focus on their Aeon traits and especially their Tree traits. Very tanky.

There is something missing though. What do they eat? Do they operate like Leshy? It's kind of a weird omission.


How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?

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HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?

D6, yeah.


RiverMesa wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?
D6, yeah.

Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!


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HeHateMe wrote:
RiverMesa wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?
D6, yeah.
Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!

Never forget with the optional flaw rule, you can turn that Con penalty into a bonus if you want to.

To me, there's no such thing as an Ancestry-Class combo that can't work. Whether it's a Sprite Barbarian or an Android Bard.


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Mewzard wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:


Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!

Never forget with the optional flaw rule, you can turn that Con penalty into a bonus if you want to.

To me, there's no such thing as an Ancestry-Class combo that can't work. Whether it's a Sprite Barbarian or an Android Bard.

Thanks for the idea of a jukebox-esque character that plays different sound tracks to inspire and cast spells...


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Mewzard wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
RiverMesa wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?
D6, yeah.
Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!

Never forget with the optional flaw rule, you can turn that Con penalty into a bonus if you want to.

To me, there's no such thing as an Ancestry-Class combo that can't work. Whether it's a Sprite Barbarian or an Android Bard.

They can be very suboptimal though, like a (non-pixie) Sprite Rogue that can't flank. They can't be literally useless though I guess.


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Djinn71 wrote:
They can be very suboptimal though, like a (non-pixie) Sprite Rogue that can't flank. They can't be literally useless though I guess.

Though I guess that depends on how married you are to a specific rogue concept. Ruffian with longspear or a ranged rogue would work fine.


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Onkonk wrote:
Djinn71 wrote:
They can be very suboptimal though, like a (non-pixie) Sprite Rogue that can't flank. They can't be literally useless though I guess.
Though I guess that depends on how married you are to a specific rogue concept. Ruffian with longspear or a ranged rogue would work fine.

Yeah, this one's a bit of a pet issue for me with the Sprite ancestry, because I thought the stereotypical/most desired combo for Sprite/Rogue was a tiny Dual Wielding Thief Rogue.

I think the flanking rules for tiny creatures (especially tiny PCs) missed the mark a bit, given they're mostly shown in media fighting things that are distracted by bigger foes.


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Djinn71 wrote:
Onkonk wrote:
Djinn71 wrote:
They can be very suboptimal though, like a (non-pixie) Sprite Rogue that can't flank. They can't be literally useless though I guess.
Though I guess that depends on how married you are to a specific rogue concept. Ruffian with longspear or a ranged rogue would work fine.

Yeah, this one's a bit of a pet issue for me with the Sprite ancestry, because I thought the stereotypical/most desired combo for Sprite/Rogue was a tiny Dual Wielding Thief Rogue.

I think the flanking rules for tiny creatures (especially tiny PCs) missed the mark a bit, given they're mostly shown in media fighting things that are distracted by bigger foes.

Akshually, the more common trope is them wielding a weapon oversized for themselves, often with two hands, but big enough to potentially be dangerous to a larger foe. A spear would be an excellent weapon for a sprite.


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WatersLethe wrote:
Djinn71 wrote:
Onkonk wrote:
Djinn71 wrote:
They can be very suboptimal though, like a (non-pixie) Sprite Rogue that can't flank. They can't be literally useless though I guess.
Though I guess that depends on how married you are to a specific rogue concept. Ruffian with longspear or a ranged rogue would work fine.

Yeah, this one's a bit of a pet issue for me with the Sprite ancestry, because I thought the stereotypical/most desired combo for Sprite/Rogue was a tiny Dual Wielding Thief Rogue.

I think the flanking rules for tiny creatures (especially tiny PCs) missed the mark a bit, given they're mostly shown in media fighting things that are distracted by bigger foes.

Akshually, the more common trope is them wielding a weapon oversized for themselves, often with two hands, but big enough to potentially be dangerous to a larger foe. A spear would be an excellent weapon for a sprite.

An oversized weapon for a Sprite? So, a Sprite Giant Instinct Barbarian. Eventually it grows Huge and you see just how terrifying a Sprite's detailed appearance looks at that size, lol.


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WatersLethe wrote:
Akshually, the more common trope is them wielding a weapon oversized for themselves, often with two hands, but big enough to potentially be dangerous to a larger foe. A spear would be an excellent weapon for a sprite.

One of my players actually wanted to go for a Sprite Barbarian Thrash build using a Fighter Archetype to grab Combat Grab to ignore size restrictions. The image of a Tiny Sprite smashing an Ancient Dragon into walls is highly amusing.


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Djinn71 wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:
Akshually, the more common trope is them wielding a weapon oversized for themselves, often with two hands, but big enough to potentially be dangerous to a larger foe. A spear would be an excellent weapon for a sprite.
One of my players actually wanted to go for a Sprite Barbarian Thrash build using a Fighter Archetype to grab Combat Grab to ignore size restrictions. The image of a Tiny Sprite smashing an Ancient Dragon into walls is highly amusing.

So basically Ant Man.


Just got my pdf-so excited! My only complaint is that if hoped the new ancestries would be more incorporated, like there are pages and pages on elves in the expanse, but not as much on Gripplj, Conrasu, or Goloma. But now I can't wait for Strength of Thousands


Question: is there any significant new lore about the Shory Empire? I know there's a section about Kho, was wondering if there's anything else.

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In the history section there are 2 paragraphs that give a short history of how the Shory empire came to be and even shorter of how they fell.


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HeHateMe wrote:
RiverMesa wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?
D6, yeah.
Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!

It's D6 finesse and there's a heritage to give it the grapple and trip traits, so it's really quite solid.


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Alfa/Polaris wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
RiverMesa wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:
How much damage does the Anadi's bite attack do? D6? D8?
D6, yeah.
Ugh. Between the CON penalty and the piddly bite damage, doesn't look like Anadi are suitable for Martial characters, except maybe Rogue. Too bad, I was thinking it'd be cool to play an Anadi Fighter or Ranger who mostly uses his bite attack. Thank you for answering my question!
It's D6 finesse and there's a heritage to give it the grapple and trip traits, so it's really quite solid.

I'm looking forward to playing an Anadi Gymnast Swashbuckler and taking advantage of that.


Do Anadi mouthparts resemble those of spiders? Like the bite is ultimately "I stab you with the fangs on my chelicerae" right? Or do Anadi have teeth and don't need to digest their food outside of their body.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
Do Anadi mouthparts resemble those of spiders? Like the bite is ultimately "I stab you with the fangs on my chelicerae" right? Or do Anadi have teeth and don't need to digest their food outside of their body.

From what I can tell of the artwork, it's pretty traditional tarantula parts.


Ravingdork wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
Do Anadi mouthparts resemble those of spiders? Like the bite is ultimately "I stab you with the fangs on my chelicerae" right? Or do Anadi have teeth and don't need to digest their food outside of their body.
From what I can tell of the artwork, it's pretty traditional tarantula parts.

Well, artwork doesn't necessarily match the actual items/creatures: look at the image for repeating hand crossbows once... Those are something that just can't work as drawn. ;)


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graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
Do Anadi mouthparts resemble those of spiders? Like the bite is ultimately "I stab you with the fangs on my chelicerae" right? Or do Anadi have teeth and don't need to digest their food outside of their body.
From what I can tell of the artwork, it's pretty traditional tarantula parts.
Well, artwork doesn't necessarily match the actual items/creatures: look at the image for repeating hand crossbows once... Those are something that just can't work as drawn. ;)

Where are said images? I checked the Equipment chapter of the Core Rulebook and didn't see them.


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Repeating Hand Crossbows comes from the last Abomination Vault book.

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