Is The Nature Of Gods in Golarion Fixed?

[Perpdepog]

Claxon wrote:

Arachnofiend wrote:

Squiggit wrote:

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Asmodeus is, among the evil deities, the one that good and neutral deities can be confident that he will do *exactly* what he has agreed to do.

Always struck me as weird given that trickery and deception is part of his portfolio and Hell is basically run on backstabbing and betrayal.

Really not a very Lawful place considering it's supposed to be the literal embodiment of LE.

It's the trickery that a CEO plays on his employees when they get injured and get rushed by half a dozen managers carrying NDAs before they can go to the hospital.

It's worse than that. It's the arbitration clause in your employment agreement that says you can't take your injury case to court, you have to go to arbitration. An arbitration run specifically by the company with partial judges and participants. An arbitration that is somehow inexplicably not illegal in this jurisdiction.

When you walk away from this your still alive and this has ended, you're lucky the company didn't sue you for cleaning up the mess, lawyer's time, and the decrease in productivity.

So Asmodeus is the deification of a gotcha GM?

He's more evil than I thought.

[Arachnofiend]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Lots of evil Gods are going to betray you when it benefits them, Asmodeus is largely unique among various evil entities that he is as good as his word if you sit down and hash out the details of an agreement with him. He will lie, cheat, steal, and betray but if he puts his name to a contract he will do exactly what he wrote the contract to indicate that he will.

It's not like Asmodeus and Ihys had some sort of explicit agreement not to surprise-murder each other.

I'd go further than that: Asmodeus's reputation as a "reasonable" evil is carefully curated to his benefit and has likely led to the fall of many a Paladin who saw totalitarianism as the lesser evil in the fight against demons.

Victor Saltzpyre wrote:

You should never grade evils, for if one is the worst, then you might be tempted to kinship with the least.

[Perpdepog]

Arachnofiend wrote:

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Lots of evil Gods are going to betray you when it benefits them, Asmodeus is largely unique among various evil entities that he is as good as his word if you sit down and hash out the details of an agreement with him. He will lie, cheat, steal, and betray but if he puts his name to a contract he will do exactly what he wrote the contract to indicate that he will.

It's not like Asmodeus and Ihys had some sort of explicit agreement not to surprise-murder each other.

I'd go further than that: Asmodeus's reputation as a "reasonable" evil is carefully curated to his benefit and has likely led to the fall of many a Paladin who saw totalitarianism as the lesser evil in the fight against demons.

Victor Saltzpyre wrote:

You should never grade evils, for if one is the worst, then you might be tempted to kinship with the least.

Didn't this happened with Cheliax, only replace demons with civil war?

[Pär Joakimson]

What did the Nocticula "redemption" actually entail?

We attached parts of the redemption arc to wrath of the righteous,
and the additional things she had to manage were things a Demon Lord should not be capable off, and she had to manage it secretly without any of her peers truely understanding what her game was.

Feats the WOTR party had some relation to:

--Have a non Chaotic Evil vasall who is at least a demi god and is loyal to her
--Have a mortal switch to a less evil alignment while serving her (while she is still a demon lord) The same player character qualified for both but at different times.
--Be recogniced as a deity, implicitly or explicitly, by 13 different esablished deities who differ from her in alignment and all alignments other then Chaotic evil have to be represented (party got Iomedae for LG, Shelyn and Sarenrae for NG and Desna for CG, Lady N. got the rest by herself)
--Utterly humilate a Demon Lord who considered himself to be her peer, achieved in spades by the outcome of the clash between her cats paws and the optional encounter at the end of act 5.

Do any of you have narrative different/other ideas?