Tumbling through a prone enemy on top of a ledge.

[AceofMoxen]

Tumble Through says "You can Tumble Through using Climb, Fly, Swim, or another action instead of Stride in the appropriate environment." I'm trying to climb five feet, then tumble through an enemy standing at the edge of this ledge. My DM ruled I need a climb speed to do this. They say climbing with without a climb speed isn't striding and therefore can't be combined with using tumble through. Is this correct?

[Cordell Kintner]

That is correct. Also when you Tumble Through you would use the same movement type, you can't switch between them mid tumble. I would allow a player to "climb" on the ground for the sake of the action though.

[TwilightKnight]

AceofMoxen wrote:

Is this correct?

I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I like to remind people that whatever your GM says it correct. Its their campaign and even if their opinion is different from the printed rules it doesn't make them wrong. Good luck!

[Xethik]

Unlike some feats out there, nothing in Tumble Through specifies you need a corresponding speed, just that it needs to be the appropriate environment.

Fly requires a fly speed, but neither Swim nor Climb do. AFAICT, the intent is that you can use the Climb/Swim skill action with Tumble Through if appropriate, regardless of what speed types you have.

[Cordell Kintner]

Xethik is right, I was initially wrong. The action says "You can Tumble Through using Climb, Fly, Swim, or another action instead of Stride in the appropriate environment.", it makes no mention that it requires a speed.

The problem is that Climbing without a Speed is really slow. With 40 speed you only move 10 feet on a Climb success, and 15 on a Crit. Plus the creature is Difficult Terrain so it's even worse.

[Xethik]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Xethik is right, I was initially wrong. The action says "You can Tumble Through using Climb, Fly, Swim, or another action instead of Stride in the appropriate environment.", it makes no mention that it requires a speed.

The problem is that Climbing without a Speed is really slow. With 40 speed you only move 10 feet on a Climb success, and 15 on a Crit. Plus the creature is Difficult Terrain so it's even worse.

Yeah, I think it would be very situational to having some sort of "Climb action increaser without actually having a climb speed" like the Cavern Kobold heritage.