How does Shifter’s Fury work outside of wildshape?? Does the shifter still attack with 2 claws or one.
"When she does so, all her other natural attacks count as secondary attacks and don’t benefit from shifter’s claws."
This line sounds like 1 claw attack, because shifter’s claws give you the claws to begin with & now you secondary attacks "don’t benefit from shifter’s claws."
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Outside of wild shape:
If the shifter has natural attacks from other sources (usually racial abilities like a bite) she chooses one attack to get the iteratives. All others are secondary attacks. If she chooses a claw attack for the full attack it gets the benefits of shifter's claws but no other attacks do (including other claw attacks).
If the shifter has no natural attacks other than shifter's claws, she has to choose a claw to use shifter's fury on. As no other attacks benefit from shifter's claw, her other hand doesn't grow claws and the one claw is the only weapon she can attack with.
It's probably not a good idea to use shifter's fury if the only natural attacks you have are your shifter's claws. (Until at least 11th level.)
When she does so, all her other natural attacks count as secondary attacks and don’t benefit from shifter’s claws.Refers to this part of Shifter's Claws
While a shifter uses wild shape to assume her aspect’s major form, her natural attacks gain the same benefits granted by her shifter claws ability. If the form she takes has claw attacks, she can use either the base damage of her shifter claws or the damage of the form’s claws, whichever is greater. If the form does not have claw attacks, she can choose up to two natural attacks that would deal less damage than her shifter claw damage and have those attacks instead deal the same damage as her shifter claws.Essentially, when you're wildshaped, you can use your shifter's claws damage in place of the normal damage for two of your attacks.
If you're using shifter's fury, any other natural attacks other than the one you're using do not benefit from this ability (in addition to counting as secondary natural attacks.
If you're in your natural form, that section does not apply. You would be able to attack with one claw and make iteratives with it, while the other would become a secondary natural attack.
willuwontu - Where does it say that?? You don't get a 2nd claw when using the iterative attacks "other natural attacks count as secondary attacks and don’t benefit from shifter’s claws." Sounds like it removes your 2nd claw, shifter's claws is what gives you the claws.
Belafon - That how I read it also.
And that does not make a lot of sense to me. Isn't the idea of the shifter to attack with 2 claws at the same time?? Granted she is "better" at fighting in wildshape, but lets not make 1 of her core ability's make no sense outside of that?
If the shifter has no natural attacks other than shifter's claws, she has to choose a claw to use shifter's fury on. As no other attacks benefit from shifter's claw, her other hand doesn't grow claws and the one claw is the only weapon she can attack with.
This makes no sense. The claw is already there. Also, it says "her other natural attacks (...) don’t benefit from shifter’s claws" - a natural attack is an attack made with a natural weapon, which means one must make an attack with the second claw before that attack could even begin to "benefit" from something. One could argue that the increases the class feature lists (damage, crit range, DR penetration) are disabled for the second claw, however.
In the end, it's pretty much irrelevant. Shifter’s Fury is a piss-poor ability in and out of Wild Shape either way.
What you guss have to realize is that the ability was added in a hot-fix erratum after Paizo realized that not having an editor look over the new class was a stupid mistake. Shifter's Fury's wording is not up to standard, and the intend should be considered. I'm very sure that the "don’t benefit from shifter’s claws" line is exclusively talking about wildshaped Shifters, even if the wording doesn't reflect that.
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I think it's a typo.
This makes so much more sense:
Shifter’s Fury (Ex): At level 6, a shifter gains the ability to make several ferocious attacks with the same natural weapon. Instead of attacking with all her natural weapons, the shifter can choose a single natural weapon and make a full attack with that natural weapon, gaining a second iterative attack at a –5 as if it was a manufactured weapon. When she does so, all her other natural attacks count as secondary attacks and don’t benefit from shifter’s fury. At 11th level, she gains a third iterative attack at a –10 and at 16th level, she gains a fourth iterative attack at –15.
It's still unnecessary and would be clearer without that bit at all.
Shifter’s Fury (Ex): At level 6, a shifter gains the ability to make several ferocious attacks with the same natural weapon. Instead of attacking with all her natural weapons, the shifter can choose a single natural weapon and make a full attack with that natural weapon, gaining a second iterative attack at a –5 as if it was a manufactured weapon. When she does so, all her other natural attacks count as secondary attacks. At 11th level, she gains a third iterative attack at a –10 and at 16th level, she gains a fourth iterative attack at –15.
Or maybe you need a convoluted version:
Shifter’s Fury (Ex): At level 6, a shifter gains the ability to make several ferocious attacks with the same natural weapon. Instead of attacking with all her natural weapons, the shifter can choose a single natural weapon and make a full attack with that natural weapon, gaining a second iterative attack at a –5 as if it was a manufactured weapon. When she does so, all her other natural attacks count as secondary attacks and any natural attack provided by the shifter's major forms do not benefit from shifter’s claws. At 11th level, she gains a third iterative attack at a –10 and at 16th level, she gains a fourth iterative attack at –15.