So the question is, do Shields count as Armor?
In the rules you find Shields in the Armor section, but it is always called Armor and Shield, as in 2 seperate things.
The example I want to solve with that question is a Gunslinger with a buckler
for firearm rules it clearly states you can wield firearms and a buckler without penalty that is no issue
But Gunslinger has a class feature called Nimble
"Nimble (Ex): Starting at 2nd level, a gunslinger gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC while wearing light or no armor. Anything that causes the gunslinger to lose her Dexterity bonus to AC also causes the gunslinger to lose this dodge bonus. This bonus increases by +1 for every four levels beyond 2nd level (to a maximum of +5 at 20th level)."
now the question is, does Buckler count as armor for this feature, meaning the character does not get the dodge bonus, or can the character have a buckler and still get the Nimble dodge bonus?
the fact that gunslingers don'T have shield proficiency is not Helping.
So can anyone help clarify the rule in this instant?
No, they're separate things, its why the monk's stuff turns off if they wear armor OR wear a shield.
That is a point, it is again mentioned as something seperate
but it is also mentioned under Armor rules, so honestly that point goes both ways
To be honest, the longer I look into it, it seems to be one of the situations which does not have a clear rule
unless I am missing something
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That is a point, it is again mentioned as something seperate
but it is also mentioned under Armor rules, so honestly that point goes both ways
To be honest, the longer I look into it, it seems to be one of the situations which does not have a clear rule
unless I am missing something
What your missing is armor is armor, shields are shields.
An armor isn't a shield, a shield isn't armor.If something says can't be used with shields, but doesn't say anything about armor then wearing armor doesn't effect it. Don't worry about it, it isn't applicable. Switch nouns as needed.
That is a point, it is again mentioned as something seperate
but it is also mentioned under Armor rules, so honestly that point goes both ways
To be honest, the longer I look into it, it seems to be one of the situations which does not have a clear rule
unless I am missing somethingWhat your missing is armor is armor, shields are shields.
An armor isn't a shield, a shield isn't armor.
If something says can't be used with shields, but doesn't say anything about armor then wearing armor doesn't effect it. Don't worry about it, it isn't applicable. Switch nouns as needed.
That is a good point, haven't thought about it like that
That is a stronger argument