Dealing with Detect Hostile Intent


Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

So my group is going to have a PvP session in a few days, and I'm currently in an argument with another player about Detect Hostile Intent. There are two issues.

Range 30 ft.
Area 30-ft.-radius emanation centered on you
Duration 10 min./level (D)
Saving Throw None; Power Resistance No
Power Points 3
"While the duration of this power lasts, you become aware of the presence of any creatures with hostile intent within 30 feet of you, and their direction from you (but not their specific location). The power detects active aggression, as opposed to vigilance. In addition, while this power is active you cannot be surprised or caught flat-footed by creatures that are susceptible to mind-affecting powers.

While under the effect of this power, you can make Sense Motive checks as a free action against anyone within 30 feet of you.

The power can penetrate barriers, but 3 feet of stone, 3 inches of common metal, 1 inch of lead, or 6 feet of wood or dirt blocks it."

He's arguing that the bolded section would mean that he cannot be surprised by any creature susceptible to mind-affecting effects no matter how distant they are. I'm of the opinion that a spell that uses an emanation to read hostility from a creature's mind wouldn't be able to warn him of an attack from outside its range. He argues that the power would read the creature's intent off the attack itself.

Second issue id Barred Mind:
The subject is protected from all devices, Powers, and spells that gather information about the target through divination powers or magic (such as detect evil, locate creature, scrying, and see invisibility). Barred mind also grants a +8 resistance bonus on saving throws against all mind-affecting powers, spells, and effects. Barred mind even foils bend reality, limited wish, miracle, reality revision, and wish spells when they are used in such a way as to gain information about the target. In the case of remote viewing or scrying that scans an area the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the effect works but the creature simply isn’t detected. Remote viewing (scrying) attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all.

Augment For every two power points spent, the resistance bonus increases by 1

I want to say that first line could allow someone to take a person with Detect Hostile Intent by surprise, but he brought up a good point. What the heck is a divination power? In terms of psionics, what does Barred Mind protect against?


Discipline (Subdiscipline) wrote:
For the purpose of psionics–magic transparency, clairsentience powers are equivalent to powers of the divination school (thus, creatures immune to divination spells are also immune to clairsentience powers).

Detect Hostile Intent is Telepathy which makes it equivalent to Enchantment.

Liberty's Edge

First: third party content, so Paizo Rule forum isn't the place. In the Paizo forum, Third-Party Pathfinder RPG Products is the right place.

Second: D20PSRD says "Discipline telepathy [mind-affecting]". By Paizo rules, it is a bit weird, but as it is mind-affecting protection from divinations don't do anything. You need something that protects from mind-affecting effects.

Third: "Range 30 ft. Area 30-ft.-radius emanation centered on you" and ". In addition, while this power is active you cannot be surprised or caught flat-footed by creatures that are susceptible to mind-affecting powers."
A ranged attack isn't a creature, and it isn't affected by mind-affecting powers as it has no mind. So the power needs to read the creature's mind.
If the creature is outside the power range it can't read his mind and do nothing. So, your friend would be immune to surprise from attacks by creatures with a mind within 30' of him. Not from attacks from creatures outside that area.

What is a divination power?
Clairsentience

d20prd wrote:
For the purpose of psionics–magic transparency, clairsentience powers are equivalent to powers of the divination school (thus, creatures immune to divination spells are also immune to clairsentience powers).

Shadow Lodge

As written he is correct since it does not say that creatures need to be in the radius for him to not be caught by surprise. That makes it a lot stronger than its power point cost would suggest. So I would up the level, the power points, or restrict the effect to the radius.


It's only interpreted to go beyond 30ft if you read it overly literally.

Since the spell only affects things within 30ft it shouldn't do anythign if you're more than 30ft away.

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